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Hedley 09-30-2021 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by AvNav23 (Post 3302465)
In a word it would be… impossible! Each and every one of these freedom loving personal choice jokers would throw each and every one of us under the bus for a few extra bucks or a chance to have their proverbial cake and eat it to. This is the closest that I hope I ever see to a truly global crisis and while the entirety of the world is moving in one direction these forum doctors/lawyers/research-fellows have the key to solving this crisis that not shockingly involves doing everything they want to do and sacrificing nothing. It’s that often misinterpreted religious tenet of be selfish and do whatever you want to do even if it harms your neighbor.

Glad to see we’re at 99%, also glad that those in the 1% without a real medical or religious exemption are about to find out that decisions have consequences! Buh-bye sorry not sorry!

Technically we’re at 99% of the total company, not just the pilots. From what I remember from the latest union email, there were just a few pilots that aren’t vaccinated. They could quit tomorrow and the machine wouldn’t skip a beat.

hummingbear 09-30-2021 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 3302202)
And that could likely lead to a more senior pilot being reassigned to do undesirable (for them) flying at an increase cost to the company to comply with a reassignment. This not only adds more than a "de minimus" cost to United but it is a violation of our UPA in terms of seniority rights. Any reasonable accommodation must not cost the company more money to implement nor can it violate the rights of the other unionized employees within a work group.

I get all that; and overwhelmingly I think where conflicts arise, the burden should fall on the ineligible pilot & not the company. Considering the small number of pilots who fall into this category, though, I think it could be done with relatively little disruption. If not, I could see going so far as restricting said pilots to the Airbus- where the route network has minimal chance for conflict. And yes, some of that could require union consensus.

Understand, I think anyone still holding out is grossly miscalculating the risk/benefit balance of this vaccine- but I do hate to see anyone lose their career over it.

AxlF16 09-30-2021 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3302497)
I get all that; and overwhelmingly I think where conflicts arise, the burden should fall on the ineligible pilot & not the company. Considering the small number of pilots who fall into this category, though, I think it could be done with relatively little disruption. If not, I could see going so far as restricting said pilots to the Airbus- where the route network has minimal chance for conflict. And yes, some of that could require union consensus.

Understand, I think anyone still holding out is grossly miscalculating the risk/benefit balance of this vaccine- but I do hate to see anyone lose their career over it.

These pilots have had several opportunities to bid the 320... I am adamantly opposed to any accommodation that violates/abrogates pilot seniority. Anything like that should be negotiated as a LOA and be subject to member ratification.

13n144e 09-30-2021 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by jtbost (Post 3302404)
Exactly! Could you imagine trying to organize and fight a real problem with these clowns?

God help us if we ever have to do a real strike again. I can hear it now; “ A picket line? But that violates my geographical autonomy!!”

MIddle3rd 09-30-2021 07:50 PM

[QUOTE=13n144e;3302576]God help us if we ever have to do a real strike again. I can hear it now; “ A picket line? But that violates my geographical autonomy!!”[/QUOT


Again? That's funny. Last strike was almost 40 years ago. We've had our balls handed to us for the last 2 years and haven't done a thing to stand up against any of it. Our group is a bunch of gutless, broke, no savings account having, pussies. Most can't pay their bills if they missed one paycheck. They'll never be another strike. We're past amendable by 2 years. Wanna bet a soda we don't have a contract in the next year?

13n144e 09-30-2021 07:59 PM

[QUOTE=MIddle3rd;3302595][QUOTE=13n144e;3302576]God help us if we ever have to do a real strike again. I can hear it now; “ A picket line? But that violates my geographical autonomy!!”[/QUOT

Wanna bet a soda we don't have a contract in the next year?
No.

rickair7777 09-30-2021 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3302161)
Pro-vax but pro-choice w/ (reasonable) consequences. Regular testing (or proof of anti-bodies from previous infection) at employee expense, plus off without pay for any trip touching a blacklisted destination.

That's reasonable too. Fed needs to collect the data on natural immunity, quantify it, and implement an appropriate passport. Natural immunity is becoming a significant factor (but naturally the bureaucrats will need the data to CYA).

guppie 10-01-2021 12:21 AM

HA! When faced with losing their job, they'll be lining up for the stick.... amazing how that works. All the "give me liberty or give me death" arguments will topple like a Florida condo. LOL


Per the latest ALPA update, looks like we're down to the single digits on the anti-vaxxer holdouts. Can't wait for American and SWA to announce their vaccine mandates to comply with the "federal contractor" Biden mandate. This is gonna be fun to watch. :D

Hedley 10-01-2021 02:50 AM


Originally Posted by guppie (Post 3302639)
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Per the latest ALPA update, looks like we're down to the single digits on the anti-vaxxer holdouts. Can't wait for American and SWA to announce their vaccine mandates to comply with the "federal contractor" Biden mandate. This is gonna be fun to watch. :D

We also have about 300 out on exemptions.

I do find it interesting that many of those seeking religious exemptions argued what they believe to be faulty science regarding the vaccine while at the same time claiming that it violates their belief in a narrative devoid of scientific evidence.

rickair7777 10-01-2021 08:02 AM

Abortion is not an appropriate topic for APC (politics + religion).


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