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TransWorld 09-29-2021 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp (Post 3301971)
My money is on Zombie apocalypse. Only survivors in North America will have solid gold bars and guns. They will then breed with Scandinavians

Why not the Amazons?

JayAitch 09-29-2021 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by fadec (Post 3302009)
America say no women pilots or no back [sic] pilots, that may elevate one's sex or race to the level of corporate inconvenience currently demonstrated by religion. At that point it would be legal to fire based on sex and race, no? And all that based on what other countries are doing.

This is what's been happening already here and at several other airlines. You must be vaccinated (covid and yellow fever) to be considered for employment. Interestingly the prospective employees are given the same accommodation: unpaid leave.

Honest question: Why should people already on the property be held to a lesser standard?

Gooselives 09-29-2021 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by flightmedic01 (Post 3301941)
^^^^^My sentiments exactly^^^^^
I will not do anything extra, will never extend my duty day or go the extra mile. We are a line item on a spreadsheet.

Horrible attitude what a person

flightmedic01 09-29-2021 10:10 PM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3302075)
Horrible attitude what a person

Actually, people like flying with me!! I take care of my crews and know where to place my loyalties. Feel free to PM me Goose and we can chat more about it.

Vprdrvr 09-29-2021 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by MIddle3rd (Post 3301921)
True. I now know many captains that feel like they were forced into getting a vaccine to prevent a disease they already had and it's clearly not working to prevent. 6.2 billion doses given worldwide. 7.5 billion people. Here we are still with travel restrictions, still testing left and right, still worried about spiking etc, people still wearing stupid ass masks etc. Nowhere close to normal. Guess how much those captains will be working to fix anything from now on?.....I for one don't give a damn about the company I work for anymore. I'll work here long enough to get as much money from it as possible. I'll go out of my way to fix nothing that's not my responsibility. These captains will fly as slow or as fast as they like. And no, they won't quit. They'll go home happy knowing they made 40k this month and didn't lift a finger to fix any issues for this rotten ass woke political company. BTW, I'm not miserable at work. I enjoy just about all the people I work with and the flying. Our management and leadership have disrespected us.. CORE4 doesn't involve forcing your people to do things medically they don't need nor want. The other airlines have not gone down this path. I guess we'll see, but I don't think they will.

Wow, beautifully said. I agree with every word.

Vprdrvr 09-29-2021 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3301912)
That actually is reasonable. You can hang out and keep your seniority until this stuff blows over to the point that they can relax vaccination mandates. Maybe make a few bucks as a telcommuting reservation agent in the meantime.

I shouldn’t counter your post because all you do is delete mine, whenever you disagree and decide to censor. How is it reasonable to put them on unpaid leave (due to being unsafe and unable to work as they have for the past 18 months) when the dozens of other airlines have no such mandate and yet their pilots are still safely flying? It’s all about safety right?

Speaking of safety, we’ve now had potentially two pilots lose certs/ lives due to GA in the past week; should we now mandate personal safety too and forbid high risk activities? Have we lost two pilots to Covid in any given week?

Vprdrvr 09-29-2021 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3301940)
Welcome to the world of CORE2. It’s not such a bad place. Just realize that we’re nothing but contract labor, comply with SOP’s, pull as much money out of this place as you can, enjoy your time off, then retire comfortably and don’t look back. Not a bad gig.

Exactly! Well beyond Kirby’s departure this will be the mantra of many for years and decades to come.

Hedley 09-30-2021 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by Vprdrvr (Post 3302085)
Exactly! Well beyond Kirby’s departure this will be the mantra of many for years and decades to come.

The thing that the new blood always forgets is that today’s tired burnout was yesterday’s energetic new hire. COVID and the company mandate are just another swing of the pendulum between rapid expansion and recession, furloughs, bankruptcies, mergers, delayed contracts, and pandemics. In time our new hires will get there and the next generation will be questioning their attitudes. I always look out for crew members and passengers and honestly try to follow SOP’s, but I also understand that we’re all just interchangeable widgets and that being a pilot is just a job. Once a person figures that out, this turns into a great job that provides good money, good schedules, and very little stress. This is just the latest chapter in the same old book that we’ve been reading for decades.

BobbyLakes 09-30-2021 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by Vprdrvr (Post 3302084)
I shouldn’t counter your post because all you do is delete mine, whenever you disagree and decide to censor. How is it reasonable to put them on unpaid leave (due to being unsafe and unable to work as they have for the past 18 months) when the dozens of other airlines have no such mandate and yet their pilots are still safely flying? It’s all about safety right?

Speaking of safety, we’ve now had potentially two pilots lose certs/ lives due to GA in the past week; should we now mandate personal safety too and forbid high risk activities? Have we lost two pilots to Covid in any given week?

I’m trying hard to understand this line of thinking.

Is GA risk somehow contagious now?

hummingbear 09-30-2021 05:07 AM

Pro-vax but pro-choice w/ (reasonable) consequences. Regular testing (or proof of anti-bodies from previous infection) at employee expense, plus off without pay for any trip touching a blacklisted destination.


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