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Hedley 09-29-2021 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by scns77 (Post 3301954)
my last LOE the evaluator spent 69% of the brief time spewing core4 nonsense….i wanted to puke

I just tell them that my job isn’t to be a “game changer”, it’s to simply comply with SOP’s, do the job the way I have been trained, and then go home. The core 4 lecture usually ends right there and we get on with the operational brief and sim session.

AxlF16 09-29-2021 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by flightmedic01 (Post 3301941)
^^^^^My sentiments exactly^^^^^
I will not do anything extra, will never extend my duty day or go the extra mile. We are a line item on a spreadsheet.

Did you just figure this out? We've never been anything more than labor. Some company management teams choose to treat us better than others, but it's simply a business strategy/decision. Life is much simpler if you make decisions about how you conduct yourself professionally with this understanding . Waive, if appropriate, go the extra mile, hand out cards, etc... if you want - just don't do it because you think UAL likes you.

Some post BK/merger hires criticized pilots for saying exactly what you just typed. Maybe they'll understand the sentiment now. This 'offense, however, will not gain much traction in the outrage department compared to post BK UAL. In short - I feel you....but I don't really have much sympathy.

JurgenKlopp 09-29-2021 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by flightmedic01 (Post 3301798)
The really disturbing part in this entire situation is that most of the employees of this company don’t see a problem with this. Where does it end??

My money is on Zombie apocalypse. Only survivors in North America will have solid gold bars and guns. They will then breed with Scandinavians

worstpilotever 09-29-2021 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp (Post 3301971)
My money is on Zombie apocalypse. Only survivors in North America will have solid gold bars and guns. They will then breed with Scandinavians

but if you didn’t get the vaccine with the microchip how will you be warned of the coming zombie apocalypse?

JayAitch 09-29-2021 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by worstpilotever (Post 3301974)
but if you didn’t get the vaccine with the microchip how will you be warned of the coming zombie apocalypse?

Without the chip you'll never get your Zombie SelCal.

As for the original question, I agree with that posted previously: Remote internal work as qualified for it and at the salary provided, or unpaid leave. We're pilots. If we aren't working as pilots why would the company pay us as pilots?

Because, if I can get paid pilot wages to work remote reservations, believe you me, I have that condition / sincerely held belief as well. Somebody asked where does it end? Well, right there I answered why that's a problem. Except case law already says I can't become a Seventh Day Adventist to get out of working Saturday, and getting paid pilot wages to work from home puts more than de minimus burden on the company.

fadec 09-29-2021 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by JayAitch (Post 3301998)
case law already says I can't become a Seventh Day Adventist to get out of working Saturday, and getting paid pilot wages to work from home puts more than de minimus burden on the company.

This is interesting because religion is still a protected class on the level of race and sex. If China and South America say no women pilots or no back pilots, that may elevate one's sex or race to the level of corporate inconvenience currently demonstrated by religion. At that point it would be legal to fire based on sex and race, no? And all that based on what other countries are doing.

HiPlaneDrifter 09-29-2021 06:44 PM

Basically, this situation is all wrong. The company and ALPA are pitting employees against each other. We are at a tipping point. Where does it stop? Firefighters, police, medical personnel? The next will be veterans with medical benefits or retirement pay. This is only the first attack. Submit, go along, accept….and you’ll be fine. All those before you were expendable…right? It’s a personal choice.

JayAitch 09-29-2021 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by fadec (Post 3302009)
This is interesting because religion is still a protected class on the level of race and sex.

Reasonable accommodation must be made, which means the company incurs no more then de minimus costs.

And while I don't like seeing workgroups pitted against each other, if there was an exemption carved out that gave someone weekends off for the entirety of their career, despite the requirements for the rest; let them avoid work that was universally reviled, or gain work that was universally desired; or allowed them to jump the privilege afforded by seniority/longevity in station or at the company, not only would that be a hardship paid by the rest of us, but it would encourage others to abuse it.

baseball 09-29-2021 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by HiPlaneDrifter (Post 3302018)
Basically, this situation is all wrong. The company and ALPA are pitting employees against each other. We are at a tipping point. Where does it stop? Firefighters, police, medical personnel? The next will be veterans with medical benefits or retirement pay. This is only the first attack. Submit, go along, accept….and you’ll be fine. All those before you were expendable…right? It’s a personal choice.

The logical thing to do is have an "anti-body" test. Test your immune system. If you're good to go, then you should be left alone by government and your employer. That's a no brainer.

HiPlaneDrifter 09-29-2021 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 3302034)
The logical thing to do is have an "anti-body" test. Test your immune system. If you're good to go, then you should be left alone by government and your employer. That's a no brainer.

Possibly, but I’m vaxed, so I’m safe…..and there are all those pesky customers we fly with every day that pay our mortgages that aren’t vaxed…but they are good to fly….just not that pilot or maintainer that keeps us moving….unless they want to buy a ticket…then they are good….just not in the workforce…then they’re bad.


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