Amtrak Service Cuts Possible, 6%, no jab
12-06-2021, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Drum
The mandate is being fought by the representative labor unions of the Amtrak employee groups.
For the WaPo:
"The Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen (BLET) and the Transportation Division of the International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers (SMART-TD) earlier this month filed a lawsuit against Amtrak, calling the policy “unlawful.” The unions say Amtrak has no authority to enforce a vaccination mandate among employees, and that doing so without negotiating with unions is a violation of federal labor law."
For the WaPo:
"The Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen (BLET) and the Transportation Division of the International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers (SMART-TD) earlier this month filed a lawsuit against Amtrak, calling the policy “unlawful.” The unions say Amtrak has no authority to enforce a vaccination mandate among employees, and that doing so without negotiating with unions is a violation of federal labor law."
12-06-2021, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Finally, a union with a spine standing up for it's workers!
APA and SWAPA with their Texas roots may have more of a mandate to oppose mandates, pun intended. Perhaps the rail union knows their constituents well?
12-06-2021, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Problem is there are LOT of airline pilots who are very much in favor of vaccine mandates, and firing the un-vaccinated (not me, don't shoot the messenger). Pilot unions are between a rock and a hard place between the two camps, it's been almost laughable watching mine navigate those waters.
APA and SWAPA with their Texas roots may have more of a mandate to oppose mandates, pun intended. Perhaps the rail union knows their constituents well?
APA and SWAPA with their Texas roots may have more of a mandate to oppose mandates, pun intended. Perhaps the rail union knows their constituents well?
12-06-2021, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
…especially since the "vaccine" isn't even really a vaccine (gene therapy) and doesn't stop transmission.
Please provide a source or stop spewing this uneducated nonsense.
12-06-2021, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence
Hey can you explain to us exactly what it is about the vaccines that qualify them as gene therapy?
12-06-2021, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
The injection modifies your genetics so that your body has a better response to the virus, as opposed to filling your lungs with fluid. As opposed to a more traditional vaccine which injects RNA of the virus so that your immune system will recognize it and fight the real thing. At least that's my understanding of the difference. Am I incorrect?
12-06-2021, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
The injection modifies your genetics so that your body has a better response to the virus, as opposed to filling your lungs with fluid. As opposed to a more traditional vaccine which injects RNA of the virus so that your immune system will recognize it and fight the real thing. At least that's my understanding of the difference. Am I incorrect?
12-06-2021, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
The injection modifies your genetics so that your body has a better response to the virus, as opposed to filling your lungs with fluid. As opposed to a more traditional vaccine which injects RNA of the virus so that your immune system will recognize it and fight the real thing. At least that's my understanding of the difference. Am I incorrect?
There are I think one two vaccines in development which might actually qualify as gene therapy but they are not approved to my knowledge (certainly not in the US). The mRNA vaccines we have are not that.
12-06-2021, 04:48 PM
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There are some smart people saying they are more similar to a therapy than to a vaccine. Maybe not a gene therapy but closer to a therapy than a vaccine. As has been brought up before, the CDC only had to redefine vaccine so the current crop of medicine could still be called a vaccine:
https://technofog.substack.com/p/cdc...ion-of-vaccine
That doesn't inspire confidence.
https://technofog.substack.com/p/cdc...ion-of-vaccine
That doesn't inspire confidence.
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