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05-08-2017 | 01:02 PM
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That is an interesting perspective Bob, one I have never heard. As for me I have about 7000 hours in the left seat. I am now right seat on a widebody and may never go back. The QOL is untouchable and I make as much as most of the Captains I fly with. So I tend to agree more with LandGreen2. Or maybe I have mentally become a content F/O, who knows. Either way no narrow body left seat bid for me.
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If this bid doesn't work out for anybody....there will be another one next year I suppose.
As for those who sit senior FO....as a new hire SO I flew with FOs who could have been captains..with good seniority in the base. Being a newbie and not understanding the thought process, I asked a captain about why these FOs were doing what they were doing?
His answer didn't make a lot of sense at the time, but 30 years on I get it completely....he told me, 'if you stay in the copilot seat long enough, it wont matter to you what else you can hold, mentally that's what you will permanently become, an FO.....and that's where you will retire.'
Over the last few years I have flown with a lot of senior FOs, and what that Captain told me as a new hire.....now makes a lot of sense.
As for those who sit senior FO....as a new hire SO I flew with FOs who could have been captains..with good seniority in the base. Being a newbie and not understanding the thought process, I asked a captain about why these FOs were doing what they were doing?
His answer didn't make a lot of sense at the time, but 30 years on I get it completely....he told me, 'if you stay in the copilot seat long enough, it wont matter to you what else you can hold, mentally that's what you will permanently become, an FO.....and that's where you will retire.'
Over the last few years I have flown with a lot of senior FOs, and what that Captain told me as a new hire.....now makes a lot of sense.
05-08-2017 | 01:15 PM
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05-08-2017 | 01:32 PM
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That is an interesting perspective Bob, one I have never heard. As for me I have about 7000 hours in the left seat. I am now right seat on a widebody and may never go back. The QOL is untouchable and I make as much as most of the Captains I fly with. So I tend to agree more with LandGreen2. Or maybe I have mentally become a content F/O, who knows. Either way no narrow body left seat bid for me.
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It will be interesting to see what happens when the dust settles on this one..
05-08-2017 | 02:34 PM
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having flown captain 7000 hours isn't illustrative of the example I was highlighting. Its senior FOs who have never bid captain that as a new hire I was asking about, and that are party to the explanation I received.
It will be interesting to see what happens when the dust settles on this one..
It will be interesting to see what happens when the dust settles on this one..
Bob,
I assume you are referencing your FOs when you were a "Sky God" flying the 777, because until recently most of us peons in the right seat of the 737 could not hold the left seat.
I agree this is going to be very interesting.
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05-08-2017 | 02:42 PM
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Scoop....not specifically. But I was the plug 727 SO in lax when I asked that captain the question.
What I now appreciate from his explanation is that there is a human nature phenomenon that once one becomes too comfortable in their situation, there can develop a resistance or even an aversion to change.
In pilot seats.....and for life in general..
What I now appreciate from his explanation is that there is a human nature phenomenon that once one becomes too comfortable in their situation, there can develop a resistance or even an aversion to change.
In pilot seats.....and for life in general..
05-08-2017 | 02:55 PM
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Scoop....not specifically. But I was the plug 727 SO in lax when I asked that captain the question.
What I now appreciate from his explanation is that there is a human nature phenomenon that once one becomes too comfortable in their situation, there can develop a resistance or even an aversion to change.
In pilot seats.....and for life in general..
What I now appreciate from his explanation is that there is a human nature phenomenon that once one becomes too comfortable in their situation, there can develop a resistance or even an aversion to change.
In pilot seats.....and for life in general..
05-08-2017 | 02:59 PM
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Given the discussions on here - I'd like to amend my forecast:
40% of the narrowbody CA bids will go to pilots hired since 2014
I'd be surprised if they fill all the ATL M88A positions. Maybe it will go to new hires
40% of the narrowbody CA bids will go to pilots hired since 2014
I'd be surprised if they fill all the ATL M88A positions. Maybe it will go to new hires
05-08-2017 | 03:26 PM
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I wouldn't worry about it. There will be more bids in the next year. The staffing for a large airline like this is very fluid and hard to get exactly right in one large bid.
