It's beyond. Ed has a video on Deltanet.

Listen close to where he asks what's in it for our employees.

The JV is all encompassing for Korean and Delta route structures. There are no company specific routes and Korean flies a lot more to the U.S than Delta flies to Korea.

http://news.delta.com/delta-and-kore...-joint-venture

http://news.delta.com/tags/joint-venture

How does DL "JV" on beyond routes if they don't have 5th freedom rights from Seoul? How does DL share revenues and expenses on routes/theaters it doesn't have authority to fly? It would be commercially lop-sided to KAL, right? Codeshare beyond Seoul makes sense; the leap to beyond routes as "JV" seems far fetched.

Is it possible this is "JV" on trans-pacific only?



Just some other data points:
airwaysmag.com (6/23/17)

"Delta and Korean Air have expanded their codeshare agreements extensively in recent months. Delta currently places its code on 655 weekly Korean Air flights between Seoul and numerous short and long-haul markets, including North America flights.

Delta is now carrying Korean Air’s code on over 4,300 weekly flights, primarily on domestic short-haul markets, but also on nonstop U.S. – Asia pairs, as well as a few routes from its U.S. hubs to Latin America."

Well said.

Not only post the hiring numbers, post the upgrade times and the average profit sharing percentage of the big 4.

I think I heard the other day United has suspended hiring. That won't happen at Delta for the foreseeable future vice a Black Swan event.

The better aircraft part of that is 100% our fault. I'm sure someone will plead chicken and egg here (we can't do it because we don't have the planes but we didn't get the planes cause we can't do it, etc) but at the end of the day if UA and AA are even or ahead of us in this area then we've dropped the ball.

We'll see about that. The deep chatter from little birdies is saying that the company has pre-surrendered to KA and DALPA has pre-surrendered to the company on this one. Asinine alternatives are being discussed like instead of flying we get a bigger piece of the profits from the one sided agreement or some such nonsense. But the assumption is that KA will be the massive Alpha, absolutely dominant player in the JV and we will be a distant and subservient beta player, as per their direct orders. Stay tuned.

This exactly why we can't get more than 650,000 global block hours. Revenue generation and profitability is about selling services (tickets, upcharges, food, skymiles, seat assignments etc.), not operating airplanes.

The brand is the marketable asset not the jet.

Source?? Not doubting, necessarily, but curious where the numbers came from. That seems like quite a spread....

Don't kid yourself. It could happen tomorrow!! Read that again, before you start spending every penny of your new Captains check every month.

You've been blessed since you've been here. I don't care how fast upgrades here are right now, compared to the rest of the big four. If/when things turn south, and I'm sure they will again, and the backwards slide happens again, you don't want to have to start selling assets and disrupting your family's life just to pay your bills, if you get bumped back to the right seat.

Project pilot quoted the numbers during my last recurrent.

I have never heard of a 22 million dollar HMV. You can buy a new C series or 737-700 for that price. The 757 is considered a expensive HMV and they run 5 to 7 million.