007 and several other TA1 supporter guys on here are so focused on advancing their personal careers and feeling shame about the last raise the rest of us voted in..... The scary thing is every day more NWA guys retire (with a pension) and there will be less of us to hold the company's toes to the fire. I have less than 2 decades to try to recover some of what I have lost since I was hired. We need to be united and fight for our careers!!

Sorry James, that doesn't make sense. It has nothing to do with the price of tea in China... The question is, why don't we fly those routes? Are they not profitable? If that's the case, why is KAL flying them?

Denny

TA1 was a joke and thus roundly rejected. Not sure where you think guys are "ashamed" of the compensation improvements in our current contract (courtesy of TA2).

And if you have 2 decades to recoup "what you have lost" then you really haven't lost anything. If anything you have gained a lot. You didn't actually believe the lie of a traditional pension did you? One of those "fool me once, etc" things.

I will vote against ANY TA that "restores" a DB plan, and I suspect that most of the seniority list feels the same way.

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I'd add to your post that the so-called deadzoners as a single voting bloc could have rejected any TA last time that didn't include a DB. That they didn't tells anyone they weren't serious about it. Each month dozens of them retire into the sunset so it's about time to finally put this issue to rest.

Oh hand flyer you are clueless... in my neighborhood live two NWA retired jet jocks both have made over 190k for the last 20 years being retired. Go tell them how much a pension sucks!! You guys are funny!

You're comparing a pre-9/11 pension to the decimation that occurred after it. Brilliant argument!

Yeah, those guys got out while it was still a great thing. What say you about the Delta guys looking at a sub-$1K a month pension who also have little or no time to make up for their lost "guaranteed" retirement income?

Pensions aren't guaranteed unless you work for the government (sadly). The retirement paradigm has been shifting away from pensions in the private sector for decades. Time to embrace it and make gains in the DC and/or other retirement vehicles, including healthcare. Afterall, what's the point of having a great retirement income if most of it will go towards healthcare?

The decimation occurred because ALPA allowed it to occur. Brilliant

As a deadzoner, I would disagree with your premise. I would have liked to see retirement addressed in some form this last contract. But the focused plus strategy of Dalpa did not allow for retirement to be addressed. Even though retirement wasn't addressed, I voted for TA2 for a number of reasons not the least of which was I felt a rejection of TA 2 would not lead to a significantly better deal in a reasonable amount of time.

I would hope that everyone would/could get behind addressing retirement medical as a minimum for contract 2019.

Denny

Amen Brother!!

I think a few airliners flown into buildings and the resulting economic freefall allowed it to occur. Still, your comparison is laughable.