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Old 01-21-2018 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They are limited to 15 knots on straight always and slower in turns. I believe it’s 5 knots. What does seem strange is I don’t believe Delta has the same restrictions.
A dual truck aircraft can have amazing abort performance. A Delta 757 departing SNA aborted after rotation past V1 and stopped on the runway. Not bad for 5700 feet!
Their aircraft have a max takeoff weight of 206,000 lbs, while ours are 196.

No doubt about dual truck aircraft having amazing stopping and abort performance. Given the nose wheel just coming off the ground, I'd be willing to bet most carbon fiber equipped aircraft could have pulled off the SNA feat, actually!

The 321 has quite amazing stopping performance for an aircraft its size with single truck was the point, though... you're hanging in the straps with MED auto brakes engaged on landing, and that is a LOT less than max.
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Old 01-21-2018 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

The 321 has quite amazing stopping performance for an aircraft its size with single truck was the point, though... you're hanging in the straps with MED auto brakes engaged on landing, and that is a LOT less than max.
The goal post moved again. Now you have to compare aborts after V1 to a stop... evidently tire damage not a factor.
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Old 01-21-2018 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
The goal post moved again. Now you have to compare aborts after V1 to a stop... evidently tire damage not a factor.
Well Jet Blue landed at SMF and stopped 2000' past the touchdown point. Airbus wins! http://avherald.com/h?article=43023647/0001
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Old 01-21-2018 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bainite
Well Jet Blue landed at SMF and stopped 2000' past the touchdown point. Airbus wins! Accident: Jetblue A320 at Sacramento on Aug 26th 2010, brake fire on landing
That wasn't an abort so it doesn't count.

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Old 01-21-2018 | 09:15 AM
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There is always a better moustrap being developed...


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Old 01-21-2018 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They hit a large flock of seagulls. One engine quit and the other engine was destroyed and would not have made it around the pattern. The nose wheel was off the ground when tha abort was initiated.
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Old 01-21-2018 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Pratt has a new GTF engine coming out in 2020, and if Airbus does the work, with a new wing, and new materials in key areas, they could exceed the 757. The technology is mature enough to get there, where it wasn't just a few years ago, and by all indication, Airbus is already working on doing that.
So assuming the new engine is ready on time (and doesn't have big time issues) then they can redo the wing in theory. That sounds like it will take a while as I doubt they have much interest in doing a Newer NEO already.
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Old 01-21-2018 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
So assuming the new engine is ready on time (and doesn't have big time issues) then they can redo the wing in theory. That sounds like it will take a while as I doubt they have much interest in doing a Newer NEO already.
I doubt it, the new stuff is not really new, it just refined GTF engines. Pratt also has an Ultra High Bypass GTF coming out for larger planes. Maybe we even see a shorter A330 with that engine.



The MoM jet is so hard to engineer, either you having braking issues as sailing is "describing", or the airplane can't get to V2 on a single engine.
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Old 01-21-2018 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That wasn't an abort so it doesn't count.

#sailingfunthoughts
What kind of crashes count to show better performance?
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Old 01-21-2018 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I doubt it, the new stuff is not really new, it just refined GTF engines. Pratt also has an Ultra High Bypass GTF coming out for larger planes. Maybe we even see a shorter A330 with that engine.



The MoM jet is so hard to engineer, either you having braking issues as sailing is "describing", or the airplane can't get to V2 on a single engine.
The first thing they need to figure out is how not to call it the Mom jet.
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