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Old 04-17-2018, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
Remember that they can only exercise the choices that the MD guy they are replacing can go to... e.g. whatever 12323 and junior can hold are the only places they can VD to.

Basically, they cannot go to any CA seat and FO on nothing larger than the ER.
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Old 04-18-2018, 05:52 AM
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But guess what... you can bid the C series even if you are frozen on the 320 because it is a new category. That is risky though because it could very well go senior. Point is to reiterate is that this is nothing more than a little slowdown. Probably the worst thing is having to go thru Va Ave again.
In cases of uncertainty like a new category or expanding category, it is always a good option to select a relative percentage or number in category as a qualifier in the bid. Additionally, you have the option to convert after junior pilots. This is especially useful in new or expanding categories. It saves you from being at the bottom of the category while they train the junior pilots.
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Old 04-18-2018, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter View Post
In cases of uncertainty like a new category or expanding category, it is always a good option to select a relative percentage or number in category as a qualifier in the bid. Additionally, you have the option to convert after junior pilots. This is especially useful in new or expanding categories. It saves you from being at the bottom of the category while they train the junior pilots.
As a however, however, being qualified in a growing category can pay hugely. Ask ANY qualified 350 pilot, CA or FO.
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Old 04-18-2018, 07:36 AM
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As a however, however, being qualified in a growing category can pay hugely. Ask ANY qualified 350 pilot, CA or FO.
New guy here...can you expand/explain how?
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Old 04-18-2018, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BNUT View Post
New guy here...can you expand/explain how?
When they are shortstaffed in ANY category there are lots of greenslips that go out because they need pilots to fly the schedule so the incentive is double pay to fly on a day off. With new categories, until they get enough guys trained to cover the schedule, they will be shortstaffed and inevitably pay greenslips. That can also happen in categories with a high turnover like the 717. Ask some of your compadres that might be on that jet what the greenslip coverage is like. Or better yet, you can look it up on iCrew yourself. Just go to the Open Time menu and look at daily trip coverage. Anyone that has a G#1 is on their first double pay trip. G#2, second. etc... The 350 has guys getting inverse assignments with conflict because of the staffing.
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond View Post
The 350 has guys getting inverse assignments with conflict because of the staffing.
Thats good and all, but look at the downside--the rest of their career they'll never have it near as good. All downhill from there.
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond View Post
When they are shortstaffed in ANY category there are lots of greenslips that go out because they need pilots to fly the schedule so the incentive is double pay to fly on a day off. With new categories, until they get enough guys trained to cover the schedule, they will be shortstaffed and inevitably pay greenslips. That can also happen in categories with a high turnover like the 717. Ask some of your compadres that might be on that jet what the greenslip coverage is like. Or better yet, you can look it up on iCrew yourself. Just go to the Open Time menu and look at daily trip coverage. Anyone that has a G#1 is on their first double pay trip. G#2, second. etc... The 350 has guys getting inverse assignments with conflict because of the staffing.
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Old 04-18-2018, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32 View Post
Any new hires assigned to the 88 between now & July can escape it by bidding the CS100. New category...no seat lock.


Not quite. Anyone can bid into a new category, but they’ll have to take the remainder of their current seat lock and tack it on to the new seat lock. The only way to eliminate a seat lock entirely is through a displacement.


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Old 04-18-2018, 06:44 PM
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Not quite. Anyone can bid into a new category, but they’ll have to take the remainder of their current seat lock and tack it on to the new seat lock. The only way to eliminate a seat lock entirely is through a displacement.
You might want to read the Delta PWA...or do so a bit more carefully. Look at 22.A.7.c. Bidding a new category only gets you the seat freeze associated with the new category (usually 24 months).

Only new hires (after 1 year) and first-time Captains tack on remaining category freezes to a new award.
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:01 AM
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I will take a look at that. Thanks.


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