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04-17-2018, 06:51 AM

#41

Viking busdvr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond

Don't get too excited. It won't move the needle to any noticeable degree.

I for one am really looking forward to all the upward movement we have been hearing so much about for the last 5 years. It should start any day, right?

This... Apparently SF didn’t notice the part that said “there will be no back-filling of positions unless operationally necessary.” In the past 3-4 AEs that meant there will be NO backfilling of any “A” positions period.... I’m still waiting for the massive movement as well...

I suspect the massive movement I get in the near future involves a flushing action to conclude the festivities...

04-17-2018, 07:06 AM

#42

Jaww

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Originally Posted by Scooter432

Oh I get it .. no need to take offense. The ones I personally know don’t think they will go back to slinging gear that is all. In the end that’s the great thing about having so many choices here.

I didn’t take offense as I do agree some feel that way as you described. I just feel the majority were properly educated. I hoped it wouldn’t come to this but I’m not surprised. My wife and I kept our income in line with FO pay just for this reason. I’m very happy for the experience and look forward to rainy walk arounds again.

04-17-2018, 07:21 AM

#43

Spudhauler

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Originally Posted by Viking busdvr

I suspect the massive movement I get in the near future involves a flushing action to conclude the festivities...

You're right about the quote, but not the rest. The backfilling of captain positions hasn't been huge, but it has happened.

04-17-2018, 07:28 AM

#44

JamesBond

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Originally Posted by TED74

More informed people than I pay attention to that kind of stuff, and I find secondary and tertiary effects of displacements interesting. I was under the impression that with sub-1 year captains on property, every SLI (to include very new folks) was making 777B pay. If displacements remove all of the very new As (I'm not sure if that's going to happen or not), I was curious if, and to what degree, new SLIs would see their pay significantly reduced.

Who knows? The schoolhouse is like a free radical electron kind of operating in a different environment than us line pilots Personally I think that anyone who is willing to sit in a dark box and watch the same mistakes over and over and over and over ad nauseum should be well paid and well taken care of. It's like doing ALPA work. It is easy to sit on the bench and throw rocks rather than roll up your sleeves. (I am not criticizing you at all here, just stating my views on those that step up)

You should have been here back in the good old days when some waited years to move to the left seat only to have that snatched away in bankruptcy... This is a temporary setback for some with loooooong careers ahead of them

04-17-2018, 07:44 AM

#45

sailingfun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond

Don't get too excited. It won't move the needle to any noticeable degree.

I for one am really looking forward to all the upward movement we have been hearing so much about for the last 5 years. It should start any day, right?

I guessed you missed 4500 plus new hires and over 2000 new CA’s the last 5 years.

04-17-2018, 07:47 AM

#46

JamesBond

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

I guessed you missed 4500 plus new hires and over 2000 new CA’s the last 5 years.

And how many of those captains were at the top half of the list?

04-17-2018, 08:06 AM

#47

Valar Morghulis

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Exactly right... the 50th from the bottom 88A is 12323. Anyone VDing will use his seniority or lower, meaning they could only displace to NYC 717A, NYC 330B (maybe?), or 7ERB and lower everywhere. Not going to see many VDs with that lack of power.

Based on current list 50th from bottom ATLM88A would be 8th from bottom NYC717A, add a few for projected list. Bottom line is most of those 50 will be going back to B somewhere. Interesting and smart sequencing of the M88 drawdown. By the time it hits MSP they should all be absorbed by equivalent growth in other NB aircraft. Imagine they will draw down ATL last with the same sequencing logic. Bummer for the very junior A’s, but I think we will start to see the seniority inversion largely disappear as the M88 is replaced with 73N and 320. It will be interesting to see how many are willing to commute to NYC to hold on to an A on the C100 which will be about all that will remain as the floor rises on the shrinking M88.

04-17-2018, 09:16 AM

#48

tunes

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none of the bottom 50 ATL 88A can hold NYC 717A

04-17-2018, 09:17 AM

#49

tunes

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Originally Posted by Han Solo

I wonder if any savvy APCers (or otherwise) saw this coming as an opportunity for a free move. We're 50/50 whether we will move or not after the kids hit/graduate college, a freebie move is a pretty nice benefit if you wanted to move anyway.

keep in mind, you are now taxed on the cost of that 'free move'

04-17-2018, 09:28 AM

#50

JamesBond

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Originally Posted by Ship741

Reminds me of when Dave Bushy told me one time in the late 90s when guys were complaining that the upgrades weren't coming fast enough that guys didn't realize how lucky they were, and that he "rode sideways in the 727 for 7 years." .

Not exactly what I was saying, but thanks for that particular reminder.