SILs defeated 19-0
07-15-2018, 08:13 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Except for the “Grow a pair” and “Are you serious” comments, this is a great explanation.
Denny
Denny
This same person who made the above comment said that there is no way we maintain our PS with Delta making these record gains.
So, “are you serious” is a valid question. Likewise, “grow a pair” is a fair command. without the latter we are in for an interesting ride if we keep letting this stuff slide. Kudos to the MEC for operation “kill the SIL.” If I am on reserve and don’t show up for an assigned short call, I can’t just tell DAL to pack sand when they call me out on it. Likewise they can’t cherry pick parts of our PWA to violate without consequences.
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07-15-2018, 08:44 AM
#52
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
Perhaps if you actually used a little logic and lost the condescending tone, people would respond to you in-kind. But keep thinking you're the poor victimized messenger, it's cute.
07-15-2018, 08:44 AM
#53
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PP,
His point is made without using terms to denigrate the person with whom he is debating. I think it detracts from the well rounded argument he made. YMMV
From what I posted, I have no clue how you came to the conclusion that I think DAL will take care of us..........Are you new here?
Denny
His point is made without using terms to denigrate the person with whom he is debating. I think it detracts from the well rounded argument he made. YMMV
From what I posted, I have no clue how you came to the conclusion that I think DAL will take care of us..........Are you new here?
Denny
07-15-2018, 11:24 AM
#54
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
So 5he MEC feels disrespected. They curtail the SIL's to send a message. 500 SIL's is approx 3% of the pilots. I anticipate that the ALV will be reduced by about 3% or roughly 3 hours per month. So 14500 pilots make 3 hours less in the summer months when they are overstaffed, 500 pilots don't get the month totally off which they desire, so we can draw a line in the sand?
Kinda sounds like lose/ lose ..hopefully the payoff comes in C2020.
What will the MEC do when they utilize every opportunity to put every reserve pilot on max amount of short calls per month in accordance with the contract?
PS
Not a reserve bidder, just wondering how this will play out
Kinda sounds like lose/ lose ..hopefully the payoff comes in C2020.
What will the MEC do when they utilize every opportunity to put every reserve pilot on max amount of short calls per month in accordance with the contract?
PS
Not a reserve bidder, just wondering how this will play out
07-15-2018, 12:16 PM
#55
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
PP,
His point is made without using terms to denigrate the person with whom he is debating. I think it detracts from the well rounded argument he made. YMMV
From what I posted, I have no clue how you came to the conclusion that I think DAL will take care of us..........Are you new here?
Denny
His point is made without using terms to denigrate the person with whom he is debating. I think it detracts from the well rounded argument he made. YMMV
From what I posted, I have no clue how you came to the conclusion that I think DAL will take care of us..........Are you new here?
Denny
I want us to all be united and knock out a record breaking contract together. I was just pointing out that I liked his grow a pair lingo! Enjoy your Sunday evening fellas!
07-15-2018, 02:41 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by PassportPlump
Lol yes I am new, and I wasn’t saying that was your line of thought! There is a good size of our pilot population that thinks this way though. Example: the guy I was talking about in my post.
I want us to all be united and knock out a record breaking contract together. I was just pointing out that I liked his grow a pair lingo! Enjoy your Sunday evening fellas!
I want us to all be united and knock out a record breaking contract together. I was just pointing out that I liked his grow a pair lingo! Enjoy your Sunday evening fellas!
Denny
07-15-2018, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
You guys are funny. You are spring loaded to jump to conclusions. I am in favor of pulling down the SIL"s. Since the whole thread up untill my post was an unmitigated love fest, I was only showing that there could be a downside.(depending on your point of view)
Hearing only one side of a story is usually never a good thing. Once you hear both sides, and make a decision, can it truly be called an "informed decision".
I do find the comments about a possible $6000 less pay check over the year while they get manning back in alignment to be characterized as insignificant as puzzling. That would pay my ALPA dues for the year. Why does anyone complain about ALPA dues when the word has been handed down on the forum that that amount of money is insignificant. Look at the % of PAC supporters and the average donation an it quickly becomes apparent that most people view that amount of money differently than the way in which it was characterized here. I can look at statistics and state unequivocally that I am a huuuge supporter of ALPA and not a management schill a the forum is wont to do when the"other side" is presented.
In my world I should have introduced my thoughts and the a logical and spirited discussion should ensure instead of flippant exchanges get are are nothing more than "shoot the messenger".....that just smacks of partisan politics
Hearing only one side of a story is usually never a good thing. Once you hear both sides, and make a decision, can it truly be called an "informed decision".
I do find the comments about a possible $6000 less pay check over the year while they get manning back in alignment to be characterized as insignificant as puzzling. That would pay my ALPA dues for the year. Why does anyone complain about ALPA dues when the word has been handed down on the forum that that amount of money is insignificant. Look at the % of PAC supporters and the average donation an it quickly becomes apparent that most people view that amount of money differently than the way in which it was characterized here. I can look at statistics and state unequivocally that I am a huuuge supporter of ALPA and not a management schill a the forum is wont to do when the"other side" is presented.
In my world I should have introduced my thoughts and the a logical and spirited discussion should ensure instead of flippant exchanges get are are nothing more than "shoot the messenger".....that just smacks of partisan politics
your pay was too much in order to hold Delta liable for not following
the contract.
I’m for once excited that our MEC is not caving to quality of life issues. Money is important ALONG with QOL.
Are we so fat that we are offering SILs? No problem, just make sure our guys can get vacation move ups and accept some of the RCC input, after all we are well manned. But Delta wants the best of both worlds. That’s their job. Keep costs as low as possible. Our job (and of our union) is to fight for what we deserve.
Your post came across as something ALPA would claim as recent as a year ago: “Let them break the contract. We will create an LOA to make sure they are compliant, otherwise our captains could lose $6k.”
Company expects us to play by the rules, so should they.
07-15-2018, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They are not going to give us any contractual improvements for something that does not save them money.
Enjoy the center seat DH.
/rant. time for a nap
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