Short Call QOL Improvement
#101
#102
I can't speak to long term, but as of now CS can still let you go 2 hours early. 7 hours of short call is definitely a win.
#103
#104
Sample size of me, but I have been shortcalled more than usual this month. Usually get 1 or 2. I'm at 3.
And I've not ONCE been called out on a short call that wasn't a legal long call. Never.
Example. Tomorrow (26) is first day of a 7 day reserve block.
10am or so I check MiCrew seeing if anything is in open time I want to yellow slip.
Short call. Again. 1000-1900 on the 26th.
Get crap. Get to NYC.
I can long call at home but usually commute up first flight to NY on first day, and yellow slip when I get to NYC.
Now assigned a 3 day trip, signing in at 1805 on the 26th. No reason for me to come in tonight.
Last reserve block.
Get 1000-2200 SC posted in MiCrew day before. Get stuff, go to NYC.
Land in NYC. 5 day leaving late next day (LC legal trip with plenty of time to spare)
Do a 5 day. Get released for DRST after landing. After 30 hours, I have four hours of availability, going into Mil Leave.
They short call me 0900-1200 on my last day going into Mil Leave.
I got no problem standing short call. But sometimes it just seems like it's borderline retarded how they dole it out. 9 hour does seem like I have better chances of commuting now.
And I've not ONCE been called out on a short call that wasn't a legal long call. Never.
Example. Tomorrow (26) is first day of a 7 day reserve block.
10am or so I check MiCrew seeing if anything is in open time I want to yellow slip.
Short call. Again. 1000-1900 on the 26th.
Get crap. Get to NYC.
I can long call at home but usually commute up first flight to NY on first day, and yellow slip when I get to NYC.
Now assigned a 3 day trip, signing in at 1805 on the 26th. No reason for me to come in tonight.
Last reserve block.
Get 1000-2200 SC posted in MiCrew day before. Get stuff, go to NYC.
Land in NYC. 5 day leaving late next day (LC legal trip with plenty of time to spare)
Do a 5 day. Get released for DRST after landing. After 30 hours, I have four hours of availability, going into Mil Leave.
They short call me 0900-1200 on my last day going into Mil Leave.
I got no problem standing short call. But sometimes it just seems like it's borderline retarded how they dole it out. 9 hour does seem like I have better chances of commuting now.
To follow this up.. I don't think Crew Scheduling knows how to work this.
Reserve coverage has been good this whole block..
They never took me off shortcall after assigning me a BRU trip. I was on shortcall starting at 1000-1805 with a 1805 sign in for the trip. I called and asked and was told I was being kept on shortcall until I signed in for the BRU trip. I told them that put me under an hour of timing out if we had any delays getting out of JFK on a Friday night.
I check in for my trip. Tell captain I'm a timeout risk. Sure as taxes, the flight plan addendum had my LATT about 43 minutes after our scheduled TO.
We brief, do the Translant Arts and Crafts. Go to the gate. NO PLANE. Captain calls Dispatch and tells them the FO is gonna time out if we are delayed. No shortcalls available. It's me or the flight cancels.
Plane shows up 30 minutes late. We push 25 minutes late. By the time we took off, I was 17 minutes from timing out.
Get back. Didn't get put in DRST like they usually do after a 3 day when I have 4 to go.
Had a blanket yellow slip in.
Get called about 10am this morning for AMS tonight. Accept it, and go back to bed. 3 hours later crew scheduling calls, I'm removed from the trip for a 30.168 violation. Trip goes to a FO junior to me.
They still don't put me in rest. I'm basically legal for a 1 day trip tomorrow vs a 3 day AMS therefore stuck at crashpad. If they had worked the shortcall/rest thing smarter, they'd have a shortcall available (the pilot who got my trip) and I'd be legal for a lot more things.
Not sure they know how they are working this yet.
#105
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To follow this up.. I don't think Crew Scheduling knows how to work this.
Reserve coverage has been good this whole block..
They never took me off shortcall after assigning me a BRU trip. I was on shortcall starting at 1000-1805 with a 1805 sign in for the trip. I called and asked and was told I was being kept on shortcall until I signed in for the BRU trip. I told them that put me under an hour of timing out if we had any delays getting out of JFK on a Friday night.
I check in for my trip. Tell captain I'm a timeout risk. Sure as taxes, the flight plan addendum had my LATT about 43 minutes after our scheduled TO.
We brief, do the Translant Arts and Crafts. Go to the gate. NO PLANE. Captain calls Dispatch and tells them the FO is gonna time out if we are delayed. No shortcalls available. It's me or the flight cancels.
Plane shows up 30 minutes late. We push 25 minutes late. By the time we took off, I was 17 minutes from timing out.
Get back. Didn't get put in DRST like they usually do after a 3 day when I have 4 to go.
Had a blanket yellow slip in.
Get called about 10am this morning for AMS tonight. Accept it, and go back to bed. 3 hours later crew scheduling calls, I'm removed from the trip for a 30.168 violation. Trip goes to a FO junior to me.
They still don't put me in rest. I'm basically legal for a 1 day trip tomorrow vs a 3 day AMS therefore stuck at crashpad. If they had worked the shortcall/rest thing smarter, they'd have a shortcall available (the pilot who got my trip) and I'd be legal for a lot more things.
Not sure they know how they are working this yet.
Reserve coverage has been good this whole block..
They never took me off shortcall after assigning me a BRU trip. I was on shortcall starting at 1000-1805 with a 1805 sign in for the trip. I called and asked and was told I was being kept on shortcall until I signed in for the BRU trip. I told them that put me under an hour of timing out if we had any delays getting out of JFK on a Friday night.
I check in for my trip. Tell captain I'm a timeout risk. Sure as taxes, the flight plan addendum had my LATT about 43 minutes after our scheduled TO.
We brief, do the Translant Arts and Crafts. Go to the gate. NO PLANE. Captain calls Dispatch and tells them the FO is gonna time out if we are delayed. No shortcalls available. It's me or the flight cancels.
Plane shows up 30 minutes late. We push 25 minutes late. By the time we took off, I was 17 minutes from timing out.
Get back. Didn't get put in DRST like they usually do after a 3 day when I have 4 to go.
Had a blanket yellow slip in.
Get called about 10am this morning for AMS tonight. Accept it, and go back to bed. 3 hours later crew scheduling calls, I'm removed from the trip for a 30.168 violation. Trip goes to a FO junior to me.
They still don't put me in rest. I'm basically legal for a 1 day trip tomorrow vs a 3 day AMS therefore stuck at crashpad. If they had worked the shortcall/rest thing smarter, they'd have a shortcall available (the pilot who got my trip) and I'd be legal for a lot more things.
Not sure they know how they are working this yet.
#106
Was thinking more along the lines of "trip assigned, short call removed, 20 hours out" which is what they usually do when I come up for Shortcall but they assign a LC legal trip.
Also didn't get a SCC for my SC that was unused, I'm going to have to read the contract on that one.
Also didn't get a SCC for my SC that was unused, I'm going to have to read the contract on that one.
#107
. They could give you a trip that has a 30+ hour scheduled layover. Of course if you fail to get 30 then you could possibly turn into a pumpkin on the road. Good times, those.
#108
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Was thinking more along the lines of "trip assigned, short call removed, 20 hours out" which is what they usually do when I come up for Shortcall but they assign a LC legal trip.
Also didn't get a SCC for my SC that was unused, I'm going to have to read the contract on that one.
Also didn't get a SCC for my SC that was unused, I'm going to have to read the contract on that one.
#110
Also need to look at what is in open time now vs later in your RES period. Typically they need more RES over weekends/holidays than during the week. CS also has knowledge of white slips and yellow slips. They might know that they are hurting for RES today but in 3 days they're covered with WS, OOBWS, and YS so they choose to delay rest. Or they are just effing it away, but I've found that when it comes to covering the schedule CS usually figures out the most efficient way of handling their reserves.
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