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Old 10-27-2018 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Sorry, I did not mean to offend you. It’s just, after reading the whole thread, I thought it was pretty funny.

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It was funny and I’m not offended. But the humor for me was the irony of a longer SC being better (95% better) for the good deal reservists. I was serious when I said go ahead and laugh.
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Old 10-28-2018 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
I agree mostly. It's neither a win nor a loss, it's just codifying what the company is already doing. I don't think there will be much change in either direction as a result of this announcement.
I can't speak to long term, but as of now CS can still let you go 2 hours early. 7 hours of short call is definitely a win.
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Old 10-28-2018 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
It was funny and I’m not offended. But the humor for me was the irony of a longer SC being better (95% better) for the good deal reservists. I was serious when I said go ahead and laugh.
We cool!

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Old 10-30-2018 | 02:11 PM
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Sample size of me, but I have been shortcalled more than usual this month. Usually get 1 or 2. I'm at 3.

And I've not ONCE been called out on a short call that wasn't a legal long call. Never.

Example. Tomorrow (26) is first day of a 7 day reserve block.
10am or so I check MiCrew seeing if anything is in open time I want to yellow slip.

Short call. Again. 1000-1900 on the 26th.
Get crap. Get to NYC.
I can long call at home but usually commute up first flight to NY on first day, and yellow slip when I get to NYC.
Now assigned a 3 day trip, signing in at 1805 on the 26th. No reason for me to come in tonight.

Last reserve block.
Get 1000-2200 SC posted in MiCrew day before. Get stuff, go to NYC.
Land in NYC. 5 day leaving late next day (LC legal trip with plenty of time to spare)
Do a 5 day. Get released for DRST after landing. After 30 hours, I have four hours of availability, going into Mil Leave.

They short call me 0900-1200 on my last day going into Mil Leave.


I got no problem standing short call. But sometimes it just seems like it's borderline retarded how they dole it out. 9 hour does seem like I have better chances of commuting now.

To follow this up.. I don't think Crew Scheduling knows how to work this.

Reserve coverage has been good this whole block..

They never took me off shortcall after assigning me a BRU trip. I was on shortcall starting at 1000-1805 with a 1805 sign in for the trip. I called and asked and was told I was being kept on shortcall until I signed in for the BRU trip. I told them that put me under an hour of timing out if we had any delays getting out of JFK on a Friday night.

I check in for my trip. Tell captain I'm a timeout risk. Sure as taxes, the flight plan addendum had my LATT about 43 minutes after our scheduled TO.

We brief, do the Translant Arts and Crafts. Go to the gate. NO PLANE. Captain calls Dispatch and tells them the FO is gonna time out if we are delayed. No shortcalls available. It's me or the flight cancels.

Plane shows up 30 minutes late. We push 25 minutes late. By the time we took off, I was 17 minutes from timing out.

Get back. Didn't get put in DRST like they usually do after a 3 day when I have 4 to go.

Had a blanket yellow slip in.

Get called about 10am this morning for AMS tonight. Accept it, and go back to bed. 3 hours later crew scheduling calls, I'm removed from the trip for a 30.168 violation. Trip goes to a FO junior to me.

They still don't put me in rest. I'm basically legal for a 1 day trip tomorrow vs a 3 day AMS therefore stuck at crashpad. If they had worked the shortcall/rest thing smarter, they'd have a shortcall available (the pilot who got my trip) and I'd be legal for a lot more things.

Not sure they know how they are working this yet.
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Old 10-30-2018 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
To follow this up.. I don't think Crew Scheduling knows how to work this.

Reserve coverage has been good this whole block..

They never took me off shortcall after assigning me a BRU trip. I was on shortcall starting at 1000-1805 with a 1805 sign in for the trip. I called and asked and was told I was being kept on shortcall until I signed in for the BRU trip. I told them that put me under an hour of timing out if we had any delays getting out of JFK on a Friday night.

I check in for my trip. Tell captain I'm a timeout risk. Sure as taxes, the flight plan addendum had my LATT about 43 minutes after our scheduled TO.

We brief, do the Translant Arts and Crafts. Go to the gate. NO PLANE. Captain calls Dispatch and tells them the FO is gonna time out if we are delayed. No shortcalls available. It's me or the flight cancels.

Plane shows up 30 minutes late. We push 25 minutes late. By the time we took off, I was 17 minutes from timing out.

Get back. Didn't get put in DRST like they usually do after a 3 day when I have 4 to go.

Had a blanket yellow slip in.

Get called about 10am this morning for AMS tonight. Accept it, and go back to bed. 3 hours later crew scheduling calls, I'm removed from the trip for a 30.168 violation. Trip goes to a FO junior to me.

They still don't put me in rest. I'm basically legal for a 1 day trip tomorrow vs a 3 day AMS therefore stuck at crashpad. If they had worked the shortcall/rest thing smarter, they'd have a shortcall available (the pilot who got my trip) and I'd be legal for a lot more things.

Not sure they know how they are working this yet.
I’m no expert but just focusing on the first part of your post not being released from sc on your Brussels trip. Releasing you would not have helped the company a bit. If they released you to a 10 hr rest then yes but releasing you for less then 10 does not reset your duty day.
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Old 10-30-2018 | 02:46 PM
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Was thinking more along the lines of "trip assigned, short call removed, 20 hours out" which is what they usually do when I come up for Shortcall but they assign a LC legal trip.

Also didn't get a SCC for my SC that was unused, I'm going to have to read the contract on that one.
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Old 10-30-2018 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T

Get back. Didn't get put in DRST like they usually do after a 3 day when I have 4 to go.
Wish they'd do that to me . They could give you a trip that has a 30+ hour scheduled layover. Of course if you fail to get 30 then you could possibly turn into a pumpkin on the road. Good times, those.
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Old 10-30-2018 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Was thinking more along the lines of "trip assigned, short call removed, 20 hours out" which is what they usually do when I come up for Shortcall but they assign a LC legal trip.

Also didn't get a SCC for my SC that was unused, I'm going to have to read the contract on that one.
if they called you at 1000 for an 1805 sign in you were used on short call and not subject to the SCC.
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Old 10-30-2018 | 05:49 PM
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I was assigned the trip the night before, but also assigned SC 1000-1805.

Not that I have the longest time here, but this month has been weird in reserve.



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Old 10-31-2018 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
I was assigned the trip the night before, but also assigned SC 1000-1805.

Not that I have the longest time here, but this month has been weird in reserve.



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Also need to look at what is in open time now vs later in your RES period. Typically they need more RES over weekends/holidays than during the week. CS also has knowledge of white slips and yellow slips. They might know that they are hurting for RES today but in 3 days they're covered with WS, OOBWS, and YS so they choose to delay rest. Or they are just effing it away, but I've found that when it comes to covering the schedule CS usually figures out the most efficient way of handling their reserves.
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