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Old 12-22-2018 | 10:56 AM
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Plus the 787 is easy to learn. Not much different from a 777. (Same type rating but not super similar like 75/76). The A350 is a mind **** at first. Even the A330 guys heads spin when they first get on it.
Perfect buy more 330s!

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Old 12-22-2018 | 12:19 PM
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Not really. I just wonder why everybody has such a hard on about the 787.
People want what they don’t have. Grass is always greener etc.

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Old 12-22-2018 | 01:55 PM
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Some are calling the A330-900 the new MD11. Take a almost 40 year old airframe and update it. Sales have been abysmal no matter how Airbus tries to spin it. On flights under 2000 miles there is no fuel savings over the CEO A330.
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Old 12-22-2018 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by blue vortex
Plus the 787 is easy to learn. Not much different from a 777. (Same type rating but not super similar like 75/76). The A350 is a mind **** at first. Even the A330 guys heads spin when they first get on it.
At least we have the awesome training program for the Panda...oh wait, never mind
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Old 12-22-2018 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Is Delta so starved for cash that it lacks the CAPEX for the Boeing?
Are you kidding? Delta has more money than it knows what to do with. Hence the stock buybacks, etc. One of the reasons why Delta has the best balance sheet in the business is because they don't overspend on airplanes. They keep their planes longer and when buying, will go with whoever offers the most bang for the buck. Bastian has said he's interested in being the launch customer for the 797, but you can bet that it's only if the price is right.
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Old 12-22-2018 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by blue vortex
Plus the 787 is easy to learn. Not much different from a 777. (Same type rating but not super similar like 75/76). The A350 is a mind **** at first. Even the A330 guys heads spin when they first get on it.
I’ve heard the initial cadre on the 350 did a really poor job with the program and made it much more difficult than it needs to be.
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Old 12-22-2018 | 03:54 PM
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Cadre is a cool word!
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Old 12-23-2018 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Not really. I just wonder why everybody has such a hard on about the 787.
Because they've never flown an Airbus?
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Old 12-23-2018 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
I’ve heard the initial cadre on the 350 did a really poor job with the program and made it much more difficult than it needs to be.
I don't think it was the initial cadre making it difficult but rather:

1) Pilots coming from 20+ years on "the Whale" and never having been through an AQP training program much less any initial qual program in the last 15-20 years; and/or

2) Those pilots not having flown Airbus before; and/or

3) Some being torqued that they didn't get awarded a training bypass and therefore "rage quit" which didn't help to make for a conducive training environment either.

Granted the initial A330 to A350 footprint was a bit aggressive but hey, I guess you gotta start somewhere.

In the end, the 350 is just another Airbus with an integrated EFB and much nicer displays (but a relatively low MTOGW that restricts its range).
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Old 12-23-2018 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
I don't think it was the initial cadre making it difficult but rather:

1) Pilots coming from 20+ years on "the Whale" and never having been through an AQP training program much less any initial qual program in the last 15-20 years; and/or

2) Those pilots not having flown Airbus before; and/or

3) Some being torqued that they didn't get awarded a training bypass and therefore "rage quit" which didn't help to make for a conducive training environment either.

Granted the initial A330 to A350 footprint was a bit aggressive but hey, I guess you gotta start somewhere.

In the end, the 350 is just another Airbus with an integrated EFB and much nicer displays (but a relatively low MTOGW that restricts its range).
I can’t believe they were torqued off because they were not awarded a bypass. There is no contractual relief that would have allowed the company to award a bypass. This fact was put out before the bid.
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