VAC Bid - Thanksgiving
01-10-2019, 01:36 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
I'll answer one by one. Hopefully correctly.
It is theoretically possible, and contractually allowable, but requires the concurrence of crew scheduling if you wish to buy vacation days for this year's vacation. In my experience, the answer has always been "no" but might as well try.
You are mixing and matching bank concepts. A good review of the Scheduling Reference Handbook is in order. You can borrow hours from the bank to take you all the way to minus 30 hours. If you are currently at zero hours--that means you can buy up to eight vacation days, which would take you to -28. (3.30 a day, x8 days =28).
The 80 hours concept you are referencing applies if you have a negative bank balance (like I do). In that case, the first five credit hours over 80 are automatically applied against a negative bank balance. Example: your bank is -20. You fly 83 hours. Three hours are applied against the negative bank, bringing it to -17. You get paid 80. If you had flown 88 hours, five hours automatically apply against the negative balance, and you get paid 83.
Not sure what you are asking here. In a month in which you do NOT fly a GS, the GS trigger means nothing, full service bank-wise.
In a month in which you DO fly a GS...you are limited to using no more than five hours from your bank to increase your projection, if it is less than the GS trigger. However, I am pretty sure you can do that and buy vacation days, in two separate transactions, if you wished.
(From the Scheduling Reference Handbook):
"A regular pilot who has flown a GS rotation:
• will receive double pay, no credit for the portion of his GS rotation that he flew and that exceeds the lesser of the ALV or 75 hours, and
• may use up to five hours of his bank, prior to accounting for the GS rotation, to bring his projection to the lesser of the ALV or 75 hours."
One last thing. Many guys have zero bank balances because we are now in a PBS era where all flying done is paid out. In the Line of Time (LOT) days, you only got paid the cap/ALV. Anything over that turned into what was called "bow wave." Pilots could elect to let the bow wave sit there, and it would carry over into next month's bidding, or you could deposit it into your full service bank, up to a max of 60 hours.
Pilots still can deposit time into the bank, but only hours above 80 are deposited. Further, that is pay you are not getting in lieu of a bank deposit. There are lots of pros and a few cons about a positive bank balance. Each pilot has to figure out what works for him, but I wanted to clarify this for those who might be a bit hazy. One thing is certain: a pilot can buy up to 10 extra vacation days a year. In order to do that, he must have at least a slight positive bank balance, since 10 purchased days equals 35 hours from the bank. Since we can only go to -30, a pilot could not buy the full ten days just by going from zero to negative.
It is theoretically possible, and contractually allowable, but requires the concurrence of crew scheduling if you wish to buy vacation days for this year's vacation. In my experience, the answer has always been "no" but might as well try.
You are mixing and matching bank concepts. A good review of the Scheduling Reference Handbook is in order. You can borrow hours from the bank to take you all the way to minus 30 hours. If you are currently at zero hours--that means you can buy up to eight vacation days, which would take you to -28. (3.30 a day, x8 days =28).
The 80 hours concept you are referencing applies if you have a negative bank balance (like I do). In that case, the first five credit hours over 80 are automatically applied against a negative bank balance. Example: your bank is -20. You fly 83 hours. Three hours are applied against the negative bank, bringing it to -17. You get paid 80. If you had flown 88 hours, five hours automatically apply against the negative balance, and you get paid 83.
Not sure what you are asking here. In a month in which you do NOT fly a GS, the GS trigger means nothing, full service bank-wise.
In a month in which you DO fly a GS...you are limited to using no more than five hours from your bank to increase your projection, if it is less than the GS trigger. However, I am pretty sure you can do that and buy vacation days, in two separate transactions, if you wished.
(From the Scheduling Reference Handbook):
"A regular pilot who has flown a GS rotation:
• will receive double pay, no credit for the portion of his GS rotation that he flew and that exceeds the lesser of the ALV or 75 hours, and
• may use up to five hours of his bank, prior to accounting for the GS rotation, to bring his projection to the lesser of the ALV or 75 hours."
One last thing. Many guys have zero bank balances because we are now in a PBS era where all flying done is paid out. In the Line of Time (LOT) days, you only got paid the cap/ALV. Anything over that turned into what was called "bow wave." Pilots could elect to let the bow wave sit there, and it would carry over into next month's bidding, or you could deposit it into your full service bank, up to a max of 60 hours.
Pilots still can deposit time into the bank, but only hours above 80 are deposited. Further, that is pay you are not getting in lieu of a bank deposit. There are lots of pros and a few cons about a positive bank balance. Each pilot has to figure out what works for him, but I wanted to clarify this for those who might be a bit hazy. One thing is certain: a pilot can buy up to 10 extra vacation days a year. In order to do that, he must have at least a slight positive bank balance, since 10 purchased days equals 35 hours from the bank. Since we can only go to -30, a pilot could not buy the full ten days just by going from zero to negative.
01-10-2019, 07:06 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
Quick question regarding vacation, but I think I know the answer...I have vacation April 1st-6th. My kids spring break is the last week of March. Is there a way to slide my vacation from April into March when bidding next month for March? Thanks.
No. Any portion of a vacation that’s in a particular bid period must stay in that bid period when it comes to the PBS slide function.
You’re also asking to move vacation from the 2019-20 vacation year back to the 2018-19 year. Not sure that’s possible even through the Vacation move-up process.
01-11-2019, 10:46 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
No. Any portion of a vacation that’s in a particular bid period must stay in that bid period when it comes to the PBS slide function.
You’re also asking to move vacation from the 2019-20 vacation year back to the 2018-19 year. Not sure that’s possible even through the Vacation move-up process.
You’re also asking to move vacation from the 2019-20 vacation year back to the 2018-19 year. Not sure that’s possible even through the Vacation move-up process.
01-11-2019, 01:14 PM
#45
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December vacation adds
PWA 7.E.4
Exception two: A vacation period may only be expanded by a block of seven
18 consecutive purchased or supplemental vacation days in:
19 a. the December bid period, or
20 b. the first ten days of January.
21 Note: Such expansion will constitute the bidding and awarding of a posted vacation
22 week.
Exception two: A vacation period may only be expanded by a block of seven
18 consecutive purchased or supplemental vacation days in:
19 a. the December bid period, or
20 b. the first ten days of January.
21 Note: Such expansion will constitute the bidding and awarding of a posted vacation
22 week.
I currently hold week 35 (Dec 1-7) in my category; I want to add seven days to the backside of it so that I now have Dec 8-14 as well. Week 36 (Dec 8-14) is NOT available for the second round.
Does this mean if I add days Dec 8-14 (in a block of seven, as required) that I can no longer bid for my second week of vacation in this second round of bidding?
OR does it mean that I cannot even add my seven days there since there is no week 36 available any longer.
OR does it mean something altogether different?
Thanks for the input. FYI if it is important to know, I have two weeks total that I am eligible to bid. I only used 1 of 2 in the first round.
02-25-2019, 07:45 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
I just wait and see what vacation I get awarded then email [email protected] and tell them where to put the supp days.
02-25-2019, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MadDogMikeATL
I emailed that address 3 weeks ago, no response. I tracked the email and it hasn't even been viewed. Is there another email address or contact?
03-21-2019, 04:12 AM
#48
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Originally Posted by MadDogMikeATL
I emailed that address 3 weeks ago, no response. I tracked the email and it hasn't even been viewed. Is there another email address or contact?
Also, does anyone know if there are any restrictions with moving a SUPP day (that was awarded due to minimal sick usage in a category) onto a Thanksgiving block of vacation?
03-22-2019, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
Did you ever get a response or a different email address?
Also, does anyone know if there are any restrictions with moving a SUPP day (that was awarded due to minimal sick usage in a category) onto a Thanksgiving block of vacation?
Also, does anyone know if there are any restrictions with moving a SUPP day (that was awarded due to minimal sick usage in a category) onto a Thanksgiving block of vacation?
There is a different email address. Go to the Crew Resources/Scheduling page on Deltanet and click the link for Crew Resources Contacts. It displays the email address to use there.
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