Originally Posted by Gunfighter

March 2020 would still lock them, but putting them 23 months apart is not an accident.

Originally Posted by beis77

For those awarded something on this AE, when does the new seat lock begin? Is it after training? Just curious if those awarded something could bid off to something better on the next AE if they haven’t started training yet.

Originally Posted by Planetrain

22.E.+F. is where the complicated answers lie. MD are supposed to go last in inverse seniority order (unless you put a preference to go first). I believe AE and VD are one bucket and train by seniority. And if you don’t need training, the company can convert you out of seniority to the new category without pay protecting un-trained senior pilots.

Originally Posted by HTBH

I eyeballed that. Very confusing in certain ways. It does a good job of explaining the order for AE and VD's. Then, it does a good job of explaining the order for MD's. But it doesn't explain how the two intermix. I'm guessing it is AE's and VD's first in seniority order, then MD's in inverse order. I'm looking at the LAX320 category. Most of the MD's are from 717 guys. So I'm guessing they'll be converting over to the 320 last in order to slowly wind down that category over the next 8-12 months.

Originally Posted by HTBH

I'm guessing it is AE's and VD's first in seniority order, then MD's in inverse order.

Originally Posted by crewdawg

Does anyone know if any of the 220 guys actually made it into training inn April? Wasn't that the "main reason" it was moved up so early?

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

Your guess is a bit off, but that's because there is no rule on how they intermix, as you put it. They are 2 entirely separate buckets. Each individual bucket must be emptied in the prescribed order, but the company can send pilots from either bucket at anytime in the process that they want, so long as the proper order from the individual bucket is maintained. There is no AE's and VD's before MD's or vice versa. No this bucket, then that bucket. They can empty both buckets at the same time, one before the other, half of one, all of the other and then the remaining half of the first. It's completely at their discretion and they use that to manage staffing in all of the categories so they don't run afoul of the contractual staffing requirements. The only thing required is the order of the individual bucket.

Actually.....nope. CR just has to honor seniority among types of awards. AE/VD can be intermixed with MDs but seniority must be honored among the "types" (AE/VD being one type and MD being the other).