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Old 07-15-2019 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We once had the entire airline stop flying GS’s. It did not go well in court but the senior pilots today certainly were willing to stop flying GS’s.
All 49 of them.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GivemeVSP
This has to be a joke
It is. Sailing is wrong. I checked with people who, like, know facts and stuff.

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Old 07-15-2019 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
It is. Sailing is wrong. I checked with people who, like, know facts and stuff.

Call your reps for the full story.
If they have TA’d sections their communications are very poor.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
It is. Sailing is wrong. I checked with people who, like, know facts and stuff.

Call your reps for the full story.
Are the TA’ed sections a secret? Tell us.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
I'm not sure that passengers at Spirit would ever notice disgruntled employees. Poor morale in our cockpits will undoubtedly affect Delta's current business model, and ability to operate so well while undermanned.
We are talking semantics here with the morale stuff. But it's a fun game to play. We are a long long time away from morale getting low. Overall, we have an excellent World Class Contract that is the envy of the industry. Morale at Delta currently is very high. Just 3 years ago TA2 passed by the highest margin in Delta history. As long as PS keeps coming in 10%+ chunks folks will be happy.

Only scenario I see morale getting low is AA and UAL getting significant gains in their contract surpassing Delta Pilot PWA value then almost simultaneously a recession hits dropping PS below 10%.

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Old 07-15-2019 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
It is. Sailing is wrong. I checked with people who, like, know facts and stuff.



Call your reps for the full story.
Per RG's July 3rd update the number of opened/discussed sections are at 13. There has been no communication from Flight Ops or DALPA that any section has been TA'd

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Old 07-15-2019 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
We are a long long time away from morale getting low. Overall, we have an excellent World Class Contract that is the envy of the industry. Morale at Delta currently is very high. Just 3 years ago TA2 passed by the highest margin in Delta history. As long as PS keeps coming in 10%+ chunks folks will be happy.
Want to know how I know you're wrong? Same reason I know I'm right...I don't. I only fly with a very small percentage of the seniority list (narrow body), with dozens of friends of similar seniority to mine. What I hear isn't anything like what you describe, but if you tell me how you have your finger on the pulse, I'm open to convincing data that isn't just your anecdotal evidence. I could be very wrong - tell me how you know.

PS goes a really long way to making people happy, particularly when it's new. But it is starting to get baked in, and I know I don't want to work decades more on the trajectory we're on WRT productivity gives and efficiencies. Again, I could very much be in the minority... but money ain't everything for me or my family. I won't publicly say the minimum hourly pay raise I'm willing to accept in the next contract for fear of being hunted and slaughtered... but pay won't do as much for my morale as work rules, scope and rig enhancement.

I see and hear what crappy trips and enhanced productivity are doing to the age 55+ NB captains I fly with (who are very content with their pay), and I don't want to be living and working under anything worse in my later years.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Want to know how I know you're wrong? Same reason I know I'm right...I don't. I only fly with a very small percentage of the seniority list (narrow body), with dozens of friends of similar seniority to mine. What I hear isn't anything like what you describe, but if you tell me how you have your finger on the pulse, I'm open to convincing data that isn't just your anecdotal evidence. I could be very wrong - tell me how you know.

PS goes a really long way to making people happy, particularly when it's new. But it is starting to get baked in, and I know I don't want to work decades more on the trajectory we're on WRT productivity gives and efficiencies. Again, I could very much be in the minority... but money ain't everything for me or my family. I won't publicly say the minimum hourly pay raise I'm willing to accept in the next contract for fear of being hunted and slaughtered... but pay won't do as much for my morale as work rules, scope and rig enhancement.

I see and hear what crappy trips and enhanced productivity are doing to the age 55+ NB captains I fly with (who are very content with their pay), and I don't want to be living and working under anything worse in my later years.
Well said.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
Mgmt will drag negotiations out for a very long time. If I were mgmt, I would. The economy is booming, and there is no reason for the company to settle the contract anytime soon.
Otherside of the coin, Delta enjoys passengers willing to pay a premium. Why screw up a good situation? Not hard to please 51%, it's pretty simple. $$$. And management is printing it.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
All 49 of them.
I guess you weren’t here back then. The 49ers were people posting people’s schedules and otherwise harassing people for flying GS. The company actually took the union to court because the pilot group was not flying the historical percentage of overtime that we normally did and got it labeled a job action and the court put an injunction on the union.
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