Operation is running on red line
08-09-2019 | 03:13 AM
#251
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I have never argued against guys getting paid when they should. What I have stated is that if a rotation is cancelled prior to being awarded there is no pay protection. I suspect Tunes is leaving something out like the trip was actually awarded to the incorrect pilot and was operating at the time of the award.
08-09-2019 | 03:41 AM
#252
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Scheduling is frequently covering trips illegally, and it is up to us to catch them. When you get a reroute try to see if the rerouted segment was known about for 14 or more hours out, If so, it is illegal(unless they could not position a pilot to cover that segment)..There are many other illegal reroutes happening but this is the most common that I see. Also does anyone think they will magically fix the Acars notification system concerning FDP extensions once the busy summer flying is over? Sure worked out well for mgmt pushing this back until the summer flying is over.
08-09-2019 | 03:55 AM
#253
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I have never argued against guys getting paid when they should. What I have stated is that if a rotation is cancelled prior to being awarded there is no pay protection. I suspect Tunes is leaving something out like the trip was actually awarded to the incorrect pilot and was operating at the time of the award.
Scheduling is frequently covering trips illegally, and it is up to us to catch them. When you get a reroute try to see if the rerouted segment was known about for 14 or more hours out, If so, it is illegal(unless they could not position a pilot to cover that segment)..There are many other illegal reroutes happening but this is the most common that I see. Also does anyone think they will magically fix the Acars notification system concerning FDP extensions once the busy summer flying is over? Sure worked out well for mgmt pushing this back until the summer flying is over.
08-09-2019 | 04:33 AM
#254
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Today I saw a trip in daily trip coverage awarded for a GS and he was junior to me. I looked again and it was in open time, then I saw it awarded again to someone junior to me again....I knew this trip met my criteria but I was on duty. I changed the “no” to “yes” on the GS request for acknowledging if you’re on duty, and immediately got a call from Arcos for this trip and selected it. Nothing further happened for 20 minutes and the trip sat in open time unawarded. I called scheduling before heading to the airplane and she checked with my scheduler and said there are no uncovered trips. All GS have been awarded, so I checked ICrew one more time and the guy who ended up with the trip was a 2800ish seniority number. It looked like it was covering it with a 7900ish number when I saw the 2 guys on the daily trip coverage with their names on the trip at different times.
It was really weird. I’ve seen back in the manual days where it’ll show the pilot on there while they are trying to contact him/her, but with Arcos, I would have thought a pilots name wouldn’t be there until it’s official. And for it to go 5000 numbers senior to the numbers I saw when it was bouncing between daily trip coverage and open time...I can’t understand what was going on.
It was really weird. I’ve seen back in the manual days where it’ll show the pilot on there while they are trying to contact him/her, but with Arcos, I would have thought a pilots name wouldn’t be there until it’s official. And for it to go 5000 numbers senior to the numbers I saw when it was bouncing between daily trip coverage and open time...I can’t understand what was going on.
I could be wrong but it seems that way to me. As such I don’t believe an assignment until there is the * saying it has been acknowledged.
08-09-2019 | 04:39 AM
#255
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I’ve seen the same. It appears that the system “ghosts” assignments that show on trip coverage momentarily. Once the system identifies the eligible pilots then ARCOS starts robo calls.
I could be wrong but it seems that way to me. As such I don’t believe an assignment until there is the * saying it has been acknowledged.
I could be wrong but it seems that way to me. As such I don’t believe an assignment until there is the * saying it has been acknowledged.
I don't have any of the info anymore, but I'm now more educated on the topic and won't let it occur unnoticed next time. Thanks for the info.
08-09-2019 | 06:17 AM
#256
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Today I saw a trip in daily trip coverage awarded for a GS and he was junior to me. I looked again and it was in open time, then I saw it awarded again to someone junior to me again....I knew this trip met my criteria but I was on duty. I changed the “no” to “yes” on the GS request for acknowledging if you’re on duty, and immediately got a call from Arcos for this trip and selected it. Nothing further happened for 20 minutes and the trip sat in open time unawarded. I called scheduling before heading to the airplane and she checked with my scheduler and said there are no uncovered trips. All GS have been awarded, so I checked ICrew one more time and the guy who ended up with the trip was a 2800ish seniority number. It looked like it was covering it with a 7900ish number when I saw the 2 guys on the daily trip coverage with their names on the trip at different times.
It was really weird. I’ve seen back in the manual days where it’ll show the pilot on there while they are trying to contact him/her, but with Arcos, I would have thought a pilots name wouldn’t be there until it’s official. And for it to go 5000 numbers senior to the numbers I saw when it was bouncing between daily trip coverage and open time...I can’t understand what was going on.
It was really weird. I’ve seen back in the manual days where it’ll show the pilot on there while they are trying to contact him/her, but with Arcos, I would have thought a pilots name wouldn’t be there until it’s official. And for it to go 5000 numbers senior to the numbers I saw when it was bouncing between daily trip coverage and open time...I can’t understand what was going on.
08-09-2019 | 07:41 AM
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Today I saw a trip in daily trip coverage awarded for a GS and he was junior to me. I looked again and it was in open time, then I saw it awarded again to someone junior to me again....I knew this trip met my criteria but I was on duty. I changed the “no” to “yes” on the GS request for acknowledging if you’re on duty, and immediately got a call from Arcos for this trip and selected it. Nothing further happened for 20 minutes and the trip sat in open time unawarded. I called scheduling before heading to the airplane and she checked with my scheduler and said there are no uncovered trips. All GS have been awarded, so I checked ICrew one more time and the guy who ended up with the trip was a 2800ish seniority number. It looked like it was covering it with a 7900ish number when I saw the 2 guys on the daily trip coverage with their names on the trip at different times.
It was really weird. I’ve seen back in the manual days where it’ll show the pilot on there while they are trying to contact him/her, but with Arcos, I would have thought a pilots name wouldn’t be there until it’s official. And for it to go 5000 numbers senior to the numbers I saw when it was bouncing between daily trip coverage and open time...I can’t understand what was going on.
It was really weird. I’ve seen back in the manual days where it’ll show the pilot on there while they are trying to contact him/her, but with Arcos, I would have thought a pilots name wouldn’t be there until it’s official. And for it to go 5000 numbers senior to the numbers I saw when it was bouncing between daily trip coverage and open time...I can’t understand what was going on.
08-09-2019 | 08:38 AM
#258
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do you still have the callout ID? or the flight/date? You can PM me. Also, if you are comfortable giving me your name you can do that in a PM and i can pull up the arcos log for it.
That could happen for a number of reasons. What could have happened is a senior pilot missed the original window, then called scheduling later and said they wanted the trip. If no one in the current batch wants it when the batch expires the senior pilot that called in from a previous batch will be awarded the trip. Does that make sense? I'm happy to look into it if you want to give me the info.
That could happen for a number of reasons. What could have happened is a senior pilot missed the original window, then called scheduling later and said they wanted the trip. If no one in the current batch wants it when the batch expires the senior pilot that called in from a previous batch will be awarded the trip. Does that make sense? I'm happy to look into it if you want to give me the info.
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