Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

It’s a team sport. Everyone reviews the logbook. Either one can fill it out as long as it gets done. That alone prevents a lot of potential dumbassery.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Likewise there are still a very few (in both seats) who hoard it all to themselves and put it away next to them.

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF

*cough* Northwest *cough*

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

Gotcha Glider

You think the caliber of pilots that Delta is hiring as FO’s has fallen so precipitously that they can’t be trusted to fulfill the most basic of duties that the FOM dictates is their responsibility. Since a “high tech, high speed tactical fighter guy” is incapable of accomplishing the most menial task without “mentorship”, I’m gonna have a very lucrative career when I submit my claim to Concur payroll for my “LCA” gig that you seem to think falls on every captains shoulders.

I’ll just cut and paste your logic into my reimbursement form.....yea, that’s the ticket.....how could they possibly deny it?

I will now state it for the 3rd time...the capt is ultimately responsible.....I just wish that somehow you could see that possibly, just possibly, the FO had some culpability

If he doesn’t then I expect to see you waltzing hand in hand (or arm in arm if that’s your style) with your next FO doing the walk-around cause he needs your mentoring. That 717 looks nothing like a high tech fighter(if you have never accompanied him on the walk around how do you know he was trained properly)....BTW ... make sure you wear your “speed jeans”

Most on here don’t care for my “humor” or lack there-of. Essentially, I think they both had culpability ....AND....the captain bears all the responsibility. You are welcome to your different opinion

BTW...anybody who has “earned their wings”, or has any experience (15000 min) knows that detailed write ups are the essence of any trouble shooting.....bet he doesn’t take his car to the dealer for repairs and just says, “it’s not working quite right....call me when it’s fixed”!

Deuces

Originally Posted by GliderCFI

You're truly missing the point. Why don't you go read
Ernie Gann's Fate is the Hunter, take a deep breath, maybe pour yourself something, and chill out.

Originally Posted by Iceberg

It’s a typical Buck runaway response with a disclaimer thrown in so it could be defended as “humor.”

Originally Posted by GliderCFI

In this particular case, the inbound captain deplaned with passengers at a layover station (bathroom maybe?), Didn't say anything to me. FO told me in the jetway that one of the autopilots kicked off, and one of the DU's was flickering briefly. To be honest, I assumed (and should have known better) that they didn't put either in the book, since both are just kinda douglassy things I've seen 717's do and aren't really operation limiting during a 40 minute turn, and often are self correcting with power transfers. Well, then local MX shows up as I get situated and look at the book and see they wrote up the DU, which was then MEL'd, and "autopilot single message." All they had to do was specify which autopilot disengaged and we could have MEL'd it and been on our way. But since they neglected to leave any more information, it required the mechanic to run a ton of diagnostic tests on FCC's etc to determine which side was faulty. Testing each of the 2 FCC's takes about 10-15 mins btw, as they have to hit about every switch and lever in there as commanded by test prompts on the FMC. This also was hindered by them not being familiar with the switch positions, so I ended up helping with that too. Then there was the full dark reset attempt, etc etc, because the thing wasn't testing right, basically because he didn't have the IRS's aligned after the first reset he tried, which somehow wasn't mentioned in the MX manual as a requirement. We aligned them after I suggested the FCC's may be happier to take a diagnostic test if they knew which way was up first. Meanwhile, my suggestions to call the previous captain and ask were also failing, because the 717 MX coordinator had been trying and dude didn't answer the phone.

Anyway, took an hour and a half delay, inconveniencing customers, crewmembers, and scheduling integrity. Because that guy couldn't write up an abnormality beyond the level of detail I'd expect from a student pilot seeing a 717 for the first time.

Inexcusable.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

While that sucks the previous CA’s write up wasn’t descriptive enough and you got screwed with a 1.5 hr MX delay, why would you tell a maintenance guy how to do his job? Too many chefs in the kitchen. Typically once I’m done listening to the rant of how short staffed they are and how I’m the umtieth call of their day, I say I’m so sorry to hear that, this is the write up, here’s the logbook, and off to Starbucks.