Deadhead BS
#31
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,522
I agree it absolutely needs to be in the PWA. I disagree that an agent that had an issue with you needing extra time is a legitimate impediment to you boarding when that group [early boarding] is called. If you get an agent that can’t see eye-to-eye with early boarding making the most sense for preserving the integrity of the schedule, then let them check your bag and let them deal with the fallout. Maybe that’s what it will take to fix the issue.
As for checking your bag, the large majority of the time its nothing that would effect the operation. For every tight turn you're DH'ing to, theres many more multipiles of last leg home, DH'ing to a turn just long enough to do it, going to an overnight where you'll still get 10 rest with 8 uninterrupted sleep opportunity (which is over 8 behind the door due to simple math/physics/phisiology/reality) so it will rarely effect the operation.
The current policy should be changed because its simply the right thing to do. In the interim, the absolute very least that can be done is crew gate checking bags at the jetbridge with the yellow tags and retrieve them in the jetbridge. Doing the vest shuffle, at the back of zone one, and then getting back on dead last is punishment enough, but even that wouldn't work if not in uniform. Not to mention what if there's several crews.
Crews should pre board. Its just common sense and the right thing to do.
#34
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 963
[adjusts monocle] At United we don't deadhead in less than economy plus. [sips gin] And if we're in an economy plus middle seat it's 50% add pay. [lights cigar]
#35
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Gramercy Riffs
Posts: 492
Reminding the FAs to please do the hot weather PA helps. I include it in my painfully long and awkward brief to them, and also write it on the briefing guide at the end of the release and give it to them. I also monitor the PA on the taxi in to be sure they do it, and if not I do it myself after setting the brake. It really helps keep the plane cool.
Standing by for the ‘why should we be expected to do someone else’s job’ crowd to chime in. I’m more about the results than the way it’s achieved.
Standing by for the ‘why should we be expected to do someone else’s job’ crowd to chime in. I’m more about the results than the way it’s achieved.
#36
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Hoping for any position
Posts: 2,504
“Can someone possibly set me straight on DH boarding policy?
Flying Ops: This is such a timely question. The FOM used to say that you will board in PREM, SKY, or ZONE 1 as assigned. With the new branded boarding, these zones no longer exist, but the boarding in your assigned zone still applies. We simplified the language in the Aug. 1 revision that will read "board in your assigned zone" which should clarify the expectation and protect us from future boarding zone name changes. Crew booked in the MAIN CABIN will continue to enjoy MAIN CABIN 1 boarding (formerly ZONE 1) to ensure they are able to stow their bags on board.“
#37
1. Agree, DHing is terrible domestically and needs contractual language codifying the procedure.
2. The procedure should be guaranteed C+ or better aisle/window or we don't board. At pilot discretion, we can accept another seat for leg block above rotation or reserve guarantee.
3. That guaranteed seat needs to be automatic, no 10-step process to book my seat. I show up and with zero input and I board my DH in my preferred seat
4. I'm sure there are a few who are APU misers but my guess is most captains; at least out of self preservation, are trying to keep the planes cool. My last trip we had warm planes on every leg and there wasn't a thing I could do about it. Ran the APU non-stop, sometimes had air and sometimes didn't, but the cabins heated up to the low 80s regardless of my efforts to keep them cool. Our external cooling equipment is garbage. One station I spoke with the station manager about his cooling hose with a nice 3" hole right next to the air attachment point. Other stations get the infamous sausage hose.
Good suggestion above to remind FAs to ask the PAX to pull down the window shades, I'll add that to my brief.
2. The procedure should be guaranteed C+ or better aisle/window or we don't board. At pilot discretion, we can accept another seat for leg block above rotation or reserve guarantee.
3. That guaranteed seat needs to be automatic, no 10-step process to book my seat. I show up and with zero input and I board my DH in my preferred seat
4. I'm sure there are a few who are APU misers but my guess is most captains; at least out of self preservation, are trying to keep the planes cool. My last trip we had warm planes on every leg and there wasn't a thing I could do about it. Ran the APU non-stop, sometimes had air and sometimes didn't, but the cabins heated up to the low 80s regardless of my efforts to keep them cool. Our external cooling equipment is garbage. One station I spoke with the station manager about his cooling hose with a nice 3" hole right next to the air attachment point. Other stations get the infamous sausage hose.
Good suggestion above to remind FAs to ask the PAX to pull down the window shades, I'll add that to my brief.
#38
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 143
Your right, koolaid is the wrong way to describe the pilots that save gas over passenger comfort.
#39
You're making my point for me though. Yes it is a legitimate impediment because we used to be able to, and almost always did with zero friction, until policy changes lead to where we are. IOW, potential gate agent impediment is the result of management policy, so who do you think they will back if there is a conflict?
As for checking your bag, the large majority of the time its nothing that would effect the operation. For every tight turn you're DH'ing to, theres many more multipiles of last leg home, DH'ing to a turn just long enough to do it, going to an overnight where you'll still get 10 rest with 8 uninterrupted sleep opportunity (which is over 8 behind the door due to simple math/physics/phisiology/reality) so it will rarely effect the operation.
The current policy should be changed because its simply the right thing to do. In the interim, the absolute very least that can be done is crew gate checking bags at the jetbridge with the yellow tags and retrieve them in the jetbridge. Doing the vest shuffle, at the back of zone one, and then getting back on dead last is punishment enough, but even that wouldn't work if not in uniform. Not to mention what if there's several crews.
Crews should pre board. Its just common sense and the right thing to do.
As for checking your bag, the large majority of the time its nothing that would effect the operation. For every tight turn you're DH'ing to, theres many more multipiles of last leg home, DH'ing to a turn just long enough to do it, going to an overnight where you'll still get 10 rest with 8 uninterrupted sleep opportunity (which is over 8 behind the door due to simple math/physics/phisiology/reality) so it will rarely effect the operation.
The current policy should be changed because its simply the right thing to do. In the interim, the absolute very least that can be done is crew gate checking bags at the jetbridge with the yellow tags and retrieve them in the jetbridge. Doing the vest shuffle, at the back of zone one, and then getting back on dead last is punishment enough, but even that wouldn't work if not in uniform. Not to mention what if there's several crews.
Crews should pre board. Its just common sense and the right thing to do.
I agree with you 100%. I’ve yet to have any issue boarding early. Will report back if I do.
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