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m3113n1a1 01-28-2020 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 2965941)
Maybe he’s a commuter too. Or maybe he’s not. It’s none of our business as long as he’s working under the contract.

Griping about it, and especially using his/her initials on a public forum (presumably in an attempt to shame him/her into changing their behavior) is poor form.

Exactly, maybe he's a commuter. And by dropping his trips in one base and picking up trips in another, he actually increases the amount of open trips in his base and thus the chances for greenslips there. Oh wait, but we're not supposed to fly greenslips anyway because it helps the company right?! :eek: It really irks me when guys try to shame people for using their contractually given benefits.

notEnuf 01-28-2020 07:54 AM

If it hasn't happened to you, then your're not playing the game hard enough. I've taken 2 OOBWS in my career. Both were great deals for me. I've "missed out" on GS because of OOBWS more times than I can count. S(hi)tuff happens.

Getting around the censor is getting harder.

717Alpha 01-28-2020 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by bohicagain (Post 2965922)
Sure Jan.
zero reserves. 5 GS given out so far and said pilot OOBWS DH both ways trip preventing a commuter from doing a GS.

But yes its allowed like costco return policy.

That commuter doing a green slip prevents the company from staffing the airline properly so that your average line holders, that don’t survive on green slips, can’t drop days and or swap trips and improve their quality of life. Everyone works the system differently. I’ve met SS and his WS has saved me multiple times from being called on a reserve trip and I got to spend more time at home with my family. SS works smarter not harder. So while you scold him for doing a white slip and taking a green slip from someone, People who do green slips should be scolded as well for letting the company know they don’t need to staff properly because money hungry pilots will save the day.

4fans 01-28-2020 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by 717Alpha (Post 2965951)
That commuter doing a green slip prevents the company from staffing the airline properly so that your average line holders, that don’t survive on green slips, can’t drop days and or swap trips and improve their quality of life. Everyone works the system differently. I’ve met SS and his WS has saved me multiple times from being called on a reserve trip and I got to spend more time at home with my family. SS works smarter not harder. So while you scold him for doing a white slip and taking a green slip from someone, People who do green slips should be scolded as well for letting the company know they don’t need to staff properly because money hungry pilots will save the day.

I agree with the intent of your post. We should probably also consider the option where we don't scold anybody at all ever, as long as they are following their contract.

bohicagain 01-28-2020 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 2965941)
Maybe he’s a commuter too. Or maybe he’s not. It’s none of our business as long as he’s working under the contract.

Griping about it, and especially using his/her initials on a public forum (presumably in an attempt to shame him/her into changing their behavior) is poor form.


I never mention names or initials. OOBWS are what they are.

GliderCFI 01-28-2020 08:34 AM

To be clear, I don't hate the player. More power to him. I drop down to single and double days on reserve to play games for QOL my own way. And I've definitely stayed home for OOB guys picking stuff up. Just how it is. Initials doesn't mean anything personal and if you think it does, don't look at literally any thread on this forum. It also backfires on him sometimes too, kinda like blanket dropping used to do (when we had coverage). Sometimes there's nothing to pick up. Part of the game.

Point is I didn't use the guy's name, and people who recognize his initials didn't learn anything new they didn't already know. If it bothers you, toughen up and get over it.

notEnuf 01-28-2020 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by GliderCFI (Post 2965984)
To be clear, I don't hate the player. More power to him. I drop down to single and double days on reserve to play games for QOL my own way. And I've definitely stayed home for OOB guys picking stuff up. Just how it is. Initials doesn't mean anything personal and if you think it does, don't look at literally any thread on this forum. It also backfires on him sometimes too, kinda like blanket dropping used to do (when we had coverage). Sometimes there's nothing to pick up. Part of the game.

Point is I didn't use the guy's name, and people who recognize his initials didn't learn anything new they didn't already know. If it bothers you, toughen up and get over it.

I couldn't agree more.

sailingfun 01-28-2020 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by GliderCFI (Post 2965896)
Yep! We all know the NY initials SS....freakin guy loves an OOBWS. Especially when we have zero reserve coverage.

Our flying in DTW went to crap once the west coast flying stopped. Which is fine, if you're into the Dakota's in January.

You should consider changing categories if he bothers you so much. Sounds like he has read the contract!

NavyFlyer 01-28-2020 01:34 PM

I’d be very surprised to see LAX fall below 10,700 in any category.


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dbrownie 01-28-2020 03:49 PM

NYC is always the wild card...revolving door of pilots , $200 a night hotel rooms, 3 airports....not the easiest of commutes.
The trips on the 320 are bad, have been since the 88 went away. I am amazed at the amount of one day trips.


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