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Old 04-03-2020, 07:41 AM
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NYT just out with a story on CEOs reluctant to take fedaral aid due to conditions.

...But on Wednesday, the unions that represent flight attendants at several major airlines urged Mr. Mnuchin not to exercise his power to take stock in the airlines. They argued that if he did so, he could scare off executives from accepting the aid, which would, in turn, mean more layoffs...
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Old 04-03-2020, 07:43 AM
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Old 04-03-2020, 07:44 AM
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So our wholly owned regional pilots in NYC are getting the month of April off with pay...... I’m beginning to scratch my head on how Delta pilots are being treated throughout this entire thing.
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Old 04-03-2020, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by FreightWasScary View Post
So our wholly owned regional pilots in NYC are getting the month of April off with pay...... I’m beginning to scratch my head on how Delta pilots are being treated throughout this entire thing.
Ill take my situation over there’s. Apples and oranges.
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Old 04-03-2020, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74 View Post
Full disclosure: I'm a pilot with an aviation degree.

I understand how dividends move money/profits to shareholders (or in our case, how it used to). But I'm not sure I understand how $1.3B of the $1.6B was "returned to shareholders" via share repurchase. What does that actually mean in layman's terms?

If I sell $1K of stock back to Delta, is that being classified as "returning money" to me? It's not like that is profit or earnings to me, the seller...I just got my money back - could be more or less than I invested. And if the company repurchasing this stock is doing so with borrowed money, how is that an improvement to the balance sheet?
By reducing the shares there is more dividend per share. Also, in theory fewer shares with a constant balance sheet value means each share is worth more. The rub is that they are traded openly on the market and the market determines the value based on sentiment not the balance sheet. Our share repurchases have never moved the share price in a permanent and consistent way. The market still views the airlines, because of their track record, as having a huge risk premium so they won’t pay more for a share above a level that gives them a higher return for the higher risk. The bond market on the other hand is driven by numbers and the ability to pay.
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That memo is ridiculous.
We prefer the term "laughable" when referencing his memos.

Sleepy, Laffy and Gummy running the show, what could go wrong.
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The Three Stooges.

None of them are Curly. Who is Moe, who is Larry and who is Shemp?
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Old 04-03-2020, 04:19 PM
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The Three Stooges.

None of them are Curly. Who is Moe, who is Larry and who is Shemp?
I don't know is on third.....
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Old 04-03-2020, 04:24 PM
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The Three Stooges.

None of them are Curly. Who is Moe, who is Larry and who is Shemp?
Bring out the Gimp!
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Old 04-03-2020, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74 View Post
Full disclosure: I'm a pilot with an aviation degree.

I understand how dividends move money/profits to shareholders (or in our case, how it used to). But I'm not sure I understand how $1.3B of the $1.6B was "returned to shareholders" via share repurchase. What does that actually mean in layman's terms?

If I sell $1K of stock back to Delta, is that being classified as "returning money" to me? It's not like that is profit or earnings to me, the seller...I just got my money back - could be more or less than I invested. And if the company repurchasing this stock is doing so with borrowed money, how is that an improvement to the balance sheet?
Buybacks reduce the number of outstanding shares in order to increase the value of remaining shares. That's the theory, but in practice that's not what actually happens. When companies have enough excess capital to buyback shares, they are almost always at peak price performance. What they are in reality is management supporting prices amid the vesting period of their options, and to a lessor extent, preventing dilution in the process.
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