Don’t forget the Billion or two on the Captain Carbon Emissions thing .Now that no planes are flying and hardly any cars are out on the road and all the businesses are shut down . We are back to the year 1776 on carbon output . Can they get a refund ?

 

While this sounds like a we're in this together type thing to reduce the ALV's for the entire time that we would have people on furlough it really isn't. I have a buddy that got hired a good bit later than average went through furlough, huge pay cuts upon return and BK rates for the better part of a decade and now during his final years it would be severely reduced pay and out the door. Talk about taking it in the shorts while junior and not so junior (as our hire date really can't be called senior yet)

 

I see that point of view. I just wouldn’t want to agree to reduced ALVs through September, then we furlough and go back to squeezing every last drop out of the pilots left on property.

 

I understand what you are saying however I will add that pretty much, if it gets bleak enough, the company will get whatever they want. I don't know when you were hired, however contract 2000 had some pretty good furlough protections. No one to be furloughed that was on the list as of 1 July 2001, 90 days reduced cap before furlough in a category, 75 hour cap while people were on furlough. Well whenever the company needed something they would come to the union and basically say we need this or we are done so there will be no airline to come back to. So the union would vote and the company would get it. So as the pilot group shrank they flew even more and between 2001-late 2004 they were still on c2k rates so guys were sucking up greenslips like vacuum cleaners since "a furlough is temporary, but the hit to my FAE is permanent" Actually said to me by a captain before the pensions went bye bye while he was on a greenslip and I had just been recalled.

I guess this is just a long way to say, they company will ask for what they want. If they really need it, they will pretty much get it AND at the end of the day everyone votes and does what's best for themselves and their families. I had a really hard time with this fact coming from the units I assigned to in the army where you lived or died together. Not so much in the corporate world.

 

Short answer: no.

 

No, just no


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zero money has been spent on the carbon neutrality plan.

 

100%. I will lose my mind if I see 80-84 ALVs with guys on the street.

 

I don’t understand why some of you keep saying this is a revenue problem not a cost problem. It’s both just as it was after 9/11. If you don’t have any revenue coming in, you have to preserve cash which IS a cost problem. If you don’t, you’ll go bankrupt plain and simple.

I’ve heard some pilots say bankruptcy is inevitable so we should not do anything to reign in cost. That is one helluva self-fulfilling prophecy. I’m sorry how bad things were in the past and I recognize our profession was nearly destroyed financially. That should not, however, prohibit us from reducing our monthly credit. This is very different from reducing our payrates.

Can any of you say that maintaining high cost compared to revenue is wise?