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#291
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This is going to sound crazy, I know. But what if, hypothetically speaking, rather than an across the board ALV/TLV cut, the company would off these lines that were below the ALV. Maybe we'd just call them incentivized special lines or something like that. Or maybe, stick with me here, a paid LOA for people to go away for 6/12/18/24 months with say, a few month call back obligation.
#292
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I understand this is easy for me to say because I am not in the 2558. But I think that is way way more than will be furloughed. They put up as huge a number as possible to shock us into concessions.
I think this bid will have to be walked back, they just want to try and get concessions before they do.
I think this bid will have to be walked back, they just want to try and get concessions before they do.
Another possibility is that they don't know what the future will be with CV-19 or the take rate on the ER package. Legally, don't they have to WARN anybody 90 days prior to furlough? I put the nefarious, "as huge a number as possible to shock us into concessions" as about 10% of the reason and just plain "option to protect the business" as the majority. Otherwise they would have made the number 4000.
JMHO
#293
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Another possibility is that they don't know what the future will be with CV-19 or the take rate on the ER package. Legally, don't they have to WARN anybody 90 days prior to furlough? I put the nefarious, "as huge a number as possible to shock us into concessions" as about 10% of the reason and just plain "option to protect the business" as the majority. Otherwise they would have made the number 4000.
JMHO
JMHO
With that said I believe it'll come back and so do they, so I'm really not worried about a takeout furlough or a short term furlough.
#294
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,909
This is going to sound crazy, I know. But what if, hypothetically speaking, rather than an across the board ALV/TLV cut, the company would off these lines that were below the ALV. Maybe we'd just call them incentivized special lines or something like that. Or maybe, stick with me here, a paid LOA for people to go away for 6/12/18/24 months with say, a few month call back obligation.
#295
Month to month unpredictable SILs don't interest me at all. But a 6/12/18/24 month reduced pay leave of absence (call it 50 hours/month plus bennies) could be very interesting...just not with a call back obligation. If I'm going to do something crazy like travel the globe in a sail boat, I need to know my plan won't get infringed on by management changing their minds.
#296
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Capt
Posts: 2,023
yup, buddy with a GREAT business said we could work something out for a couple of years if I wanted....not an option but with a year leave .......even mulled over leaving now in my early 50’s but deal isn’t sweet enough, nor is my retirement Acct.
#298
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Position: 3+ hour sit in the ATL
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Funny how when you have a management group that is TRULY interested in making things work, amazing results can be achieved that are beneficial to both management and labor.
Flip the card over and there is DAL. We got 2 hatchet men in the driver's seat doing the CEO's bidding. You say its not personal, its just business. yeah, I can subscribe to a small slice of that. But then I look at what other airlines are doing, our competition and I have to wonder about our plan. SWA got their deals with ZERO concessions. Alaska too.We are talking about rolling over - again. Some here blame the MEC. I don't. I blame our recalcitrant entrenched management team. There are many voluntary options for them to pursue to aid in the manning problem. THEY chose not to pursue. Rather they want to use fear, intimidation and play on our servant mentality to get something in return for the scraps they throw us.
No, lets not fall for their game. Don't give them anything. Call their bluff. I'm set for furlough. Lucky we had 6 months to prep. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Drum = UNA soon to be furlough.
Flip the card over and there is DAL. We got 2 hatchet men in the driver's seat doing the CEO's bidding. You say its not personal, its just business. yeah, I can subscribe to a small slice of that. But then I look at what other airlines are doing, our competition and I have to wonder about our plan. SWA got their deals with ZERO concessions. Alaska too.We are talking about rolling over - again. Some here blame the MEC. I don't. I blame our recalcitrant entrenched management team. There are many voluntary options for them to pursue to aid in the manning problem. THEY chose not to pursue. Rather they want to use fear, intimidation and play on our servant mentality to get something in return for the scraps they throw us.
No, lets not fall for their game. Don't give them anything. Call their bluff. I'm set for furlough. Lucky we had 6 months to prep. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Drum = UNA soon to be furlough.
#299
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Position: Wind checker
Posts: 763
I'd do a 36 month SIL without batting an eye. A chance to knock out some bucket list stuff in my early 50s vs mid 60s? Sign me up.
#300
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Position: Left seat of a little plane
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Month to month unpredictable SILs don't interest me at all. But a 6/12/18/24 month reduced pay leave of absence (call it 50 hours/month plus bennies) could be very interesting...just not with a call back obligation. If I'm going to do something crazy like travel the globe in a sail boat, I need to know my plan won't get infringed on by management changing their minds.
Might be worth pursuing once this early out program has completed.