Viking busdvr

Now I’m confused. I thought you said the company wanted to lower the ALV....

Seneca Pilot

Maybe you aren't acquainted with the history of our profession with regard to all the "temporary" concessions that have lasted for far longer than the original plan. The OP in this thread posed a solution that goes beyond this specific crisis and gets us to a place where management can't hold the threat of furloughs over our heads to force concessions that they can then stretch out over a long period of time. I posted the simple math, an eight hour cut in hours costs more than twice this simple plan and the plan allows the union to hold the line and make sure our contracts don't get decimated.

The whole point of a union is to bargain collectively to make steady consistent gains in pay and quality of life. If we are going to have pain when the industry faces headwinds like we face now, better we share that pain between ourselves instead of allowing management to pit us against each other in order to set us back a decade of hard won gains. The eighty plus year history is very clear. Every time we face a crisis like this the company asks for help to survive. The pilots cave and "help". The company files bankruptcy anyway. Furloughs still happen. And the judge bases pay and QOL going forward off the contract after concessions. This plan allows the furloughs to take place but we support our own and the contract stays just like it was so we can gain ground over the next ten years instead of trying to get back to where we were.

sailingfun

Its a smart business decision. They would save more money by furloughing. A ALV reduction gives the airline the ability to respond rapidly in a very unstable market. In the end that benefits both the company and pilots.

TED74

Not true. As you know, they wanted and negotiated a wider window (including lower min) for WB when times were good. Clearly that's an efficiency benefit to them and does not benefit the pilot group.

Fredturbo

what are they willing to give up for that is the ultimate question.

Fredturbo

Why not sell the refinery and raise some additional cash? They had to make what, a couple bil off that money making strategy?

mikea72580

I don’t disagree, but in your previous post you attempted to bolster your argument by saying that “every” department EXCEPT flight ops spread work out to avoid layoffs. That would be a compelling and important distinction. Unfortunately, it’s not true. Other departments have faced unmitigated job losses similar to those our 1941 pilots are facing. We are not alone in taking job losses.

BobZ

What?? And force management to pay retail for skin moisturizer??

Vsop

Thanks to all of your feedback I've altered the idea slightly.


The proposal is as follows:


A monthly assessment not to exceed 3.5% of pilot pay for every non furloughed Delta pilot. This would fund the Furlough Emergency and Disaster Relief (FEDR). The assessment would be required to maintain the FEDR to a level equal to: (furloughed pilots who have not bypassed recall) x $3,300.


That $3,300/mo equates to $39,600 annually. That the furloughed pilots would have to apply to receive, and it appears the aide would come in the form of a tax free no interest loan.


If the company files any form of bankruptcy, this terminates. When all pilots are recalled, it terminates. This would need MEMRAT now, and in 1 year to continue.


I think this proposal solves most of the issues discussed. It would require all pilots to participate. The recipients would need to ask for the assistance. Lastly the aide would be in the form of a loan.


To sum up my thoughts: I'm not sure what the best way forward is for our pilot group. I do think this is a viable option worth consideration along with our other options of an LOA to prevent furloughs, and not requiring all pilots to provide anymore furlough assistance.

If you have a strong opinion on any of this or another option, now is the time to contact your reps.
Thank you again to you all for providing so much constructive feedback.

sailingfun

It has no value.