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09-18-2020 | 12:28 PM
#101
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Tbey are short in the right seat on the 350 and 330. 30 new 350 FO’s AE awarded and almost 120 A330 FO AE awards. Did not even bother to look at the reinstatement’s but I bet there were a bunch.
09-18-2020 | 12:40 PM
#102
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From: 73na
09-18-2020 | 12:54 PM
#103
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Yes, it was delayed until 9/1/2020
Denny
09-18-2020 | 01:01 PM
#104
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Don’t they just traditionally use them going season to season? Isn’t that what they have been pointing out?
It’s going to be hard to convince me that paying someone to not work is a meaningful way to help keep workers on the payroll. It also doesn’t seem like the fact that they negotiated the right to offer them, but decided not to, is reason for pitchforks and lifelong trust issues. The stuff that happened before and during the last bankruptcy would probably have me disillusioned and distrustful though.
It’s going to be hard to convince me that paying someone to not work is a meaningful way to help keep workers on the payroll. It also doesn’t seem like the fact that they negotiated the right to offer them, but decided not to, is reason for pitchforks and lifelong trust issues. The stuff that happened before and during the last bankruptcy would probably have me disillusioned and distrustful though.
Denny
09-18-2020 | 01:08 PM
#105
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Fair enough. Those events destroyed lives and families. With the gravity of losses and continued reduced demand, there is no guarantee they won’t furlough, ask for more concessions, or use bankruptcy down the road. I would be surprised to see a LONGER TERM (longer than 6 months or so maybe?) no-furlough agreement. It would disappoint me if they offer it because it would be an obvious lie to think they know at this stage that they can keep that promise. Bankruptcy is definitely a possibility without a meaningful rebound as well.
I still think an ALV cut is a very different staffing solution than a rate cut (especially 32%). I also believe SILs are harmful to jobs vs. an ALV cut.
But I wasn’t here for the bankruptcy and I would probably think differently if I was, especially with the same executive on the team. Was there anything like an ALV cut offered then?
I still think an ALV cut is a very different staffing solution than a rate cut (especially 32%). I also believe SILs are harmful to jobs vs. an ALV cut.
But I wasn’t here for the bankruptcy and I would probably think differently if I was, especially with the same executive on the team. Was there anything like an ALV cut offered then?
CD,
You bring up many valid points that we should all take into consideration. There is really no right and wrong with a lot of these issues but mostly opinions. With that said, it appears the majority of the Pilot group are having a hard time trusting management.
In regards to an ALV back then I believe we were still Line of Time (LOT) bidding so it was not a factor.
Scoop
09-18-2020 | 01:21 PM
#107
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I hear you. Keeping furloughs around another 6 months would be worth that risk of leverage later in my opinion. I definitely acknowledge it’s there and am open to changing my mind
09-18-2020 | 01:27 PM
#108
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It would be great for us if a judge would consider a reduced ALV if Delta files bankruptcy. Delta will demand as high a ALV as the court will grant it in chapter 11. If you say the judge will consider the reduced ALV as a baseline that’s simply great news!
09-18-2020 | 01:47 PM
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BTW, do you expect to be bumping the high end of ALVs next summer in all fleets?
At a 60% of 2019 level we would need 8800 pilots and at 80% we would need 11750. PJ just said 75% of 2019 is the new high end target (conveniently lower) so max would be 11025. With 333 mandatory retirements by the end of the summer 2021 that means seniority # 12083 will be needed next summer. Add in your guess for medicals, SLI vacancies etc. and we are approaching the entire current list at 12947. I don't think ALVs will be running high by next summer unless the plan all along was to furlough and be skinny for a repeat of 2019 GS-apalooza. Is this what you mean by high ALVs?
