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09-18-2020 | 05:40 AM
#51
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From: Not an RJ driver anymore
is that second one a metaphor for something else?
09-18-2020 | 05:40 AM
#52
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I am part of the 90% of folks who rejected the company's plan for targeted, temporary ALV reductions that they wanted to implement without exhausting all voluntary measures and be creative with solutions to avoid furloughs. Our CEO publicly stated his intent to do both.
You'll notice that since their offer was made, negotiations have seemingly led to a much more pilot-friendly agreement we'll get to see soon. I thank the 90% of polled pilots who knew better than to accept a crappy deal.
09-18-2020 | 05:42 AM
#53
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So, the JL memo states “we in good faith committed to reduce the number of pilots at risk of furlough by 220”. There’s no other qualifier or context. Clearly the intended message conveyed is more “permanent” furlough protection. The ALPA comm stated this number is only protected through January.
Somebody is lying. Either JL is lying by omission, or ALPA by overtly stating false information. In this case, I’m inclined to believe ALPA’s version of the truth. Company is simply offering three more months for a handful of pilots. Really it’s just to help themselves with their training crunch and being able to staff the A220 through the holidays. Once they got what they needed out of these guys they will cut them loose.
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Somebody is lying. Either JL is lying by omission, or ALPA by overtly stating false information. In this case, I’m inclined to believe ALPA’s version of the truth. Company is simply offering three more months for a handful of pilots. Really it’s just to help themselves with their training crunch and being able to staff the A220 through the holidays. Once they got what they needed out of these guys they will cut them loose.
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09-18-2020 | 05:46 AM
#54
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Can you explain the screw around with schedules part?
09-18-2020 | 05:47 AM
#55
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From: MadDog gear slinger
I’m shocked more pilots don’t have a problem with it also. It’s surprising to me that 90% of polled pilots say that staying home with pay and letting other people do the work Is the only solution they will be a part of. An ALV cut isn’t a rate cut. To me, working 15% less for 15% less seems like an honorable and ethical solution to save jobs
I agree, btw.
09-18-2020 | 05:52 AM
#56
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From: DAL 330
I’m shocked more pilots don’t have a problem with it also. It’s surprising to me that 90% of polled pilots say that staying home with pay and letting other people do the work Is the only solution they will be a part of. An ALV cut isn’t a rate cut. To me, working 15% less for 15% less seems like an honorable and ethical solution to save jobs
The problem isn't unethical Pilots the problem is unethical management. No Pilot in their right mind who has been through this before and burned wants to be burned again.
Like I have said before and will repeat ad nauseam - If we had a Herb Kelleher type CEO, I would be all over it.
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09-18-2020 | 05:54 AM
#57
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I’m shocked more pilots don’t have a problem with it also. It’s surprising to me that 90% of polled pilots say that staying home with pay and letting other people do the work Is the only solution they will be a part of. An ALV cut isn’t a rate cut. To me, working 15% less for 15% less seems like an honorable and ethical solution to save jobs
09-18-2020 | 06:00 AM
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From: 73N A
Exactly. So on the wide bodies where either ALL of the pilots are on reserve (which happened this summer) or most - it's a 15% pay cut while on-call the same number of days. For most of the widebody pilots.
09-18-2020 | 06:08 AM
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I’m shocked more pilots don’t have a problem with it also. It’s surprising to me that 90% of polled pilots say that staying home with pay and letting other people do the work Is the only solution they will be a part of. An ALV cut isn’t a rate cut. To me, working 15% less for 15% less seems like an honorable and ethical solution to save jobs
As mentioned above, the reserves will be working the same amount of days for 15% less, so I'm not sure about the "working less, not working for less..."
