Originally Posted by theUpsideDown

Ive gone back and forth between vnav/autothrottles and dumb rj power levers and/or Fadec and the stupid snowflake and back to vnav/authrottles. You miss the automation but i didnt kill anyone or do anything unusually asap causing.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying

I just figured a few descend via’s would get messed up if guys who have had VNAV and autothrottles for the past X years jump into it. Especially in places like MSP. I assume everyone here can fly just fine, but old habits can die hard and people might forget if they have gotten used to something else.

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Originally Posted by Cogf16

So the entry level position at Delta is the right seat of a CRJ? Could Delta compete for new hires if our competitors dont' do this? And what would that pay? Agreed that it would solve a lot of scope issues but I think the company would really fight this, especially if other airlines don't(and of course we would target a MUCH HIGHER rate than current)

Originally Posted by ElCaribe

The propel program is a proxy way of hiring right seat into RJs at Delta and has been extremely successful.

Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta

This would be true except Propel students aren’t required to go to a DCI carrier.

Originally Posted by ElCaribe

I guess I’ve misunderstood the program. I was under the assumption it had to be a DCI.

Originally Posted by ElCaribe

I guess I’ve misunderstood the program. I was under the assumption it had to be a DCI.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying

why wouldn’t DL be able to compete? If you are so opposed to flying an RJ for a year at mainline wages I’m not sure you are talent worth competing for. Didn’t we used to have 737-200s (basically RJs) at a significantly lower rate in the late 90s and early 2000s? Did DL have a hard time finding applicants then? I’m not sure we would need a much higher rate than we have now. Maybe bump it up to our E195 rate but it won’t have to pay 717 pay to make it worth our time.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown

First question. Serious question too. Do you expect me to predict what would be a junior aircraft in the made up world i outlined? I cant tell you what's going to be junior. I would first assume everything in nyc will be junior for hiring.

Secondly.
23000 pilots at regional airlines in 2011 or 2012, nearly all flying RJs. You're saying theyre going to stay at the regionals rather than come to delta even if we offered the same hourly, and the rest of our contract is the same? Thats what it sounds like you're getting at. Delta doesnt buy airplanes for recruitment. Sailing has pointed out Delta hired more pilots than any other mainline airline in the last 10 years. American has how many more 777s? We had 20, we dont anymore. We are loading up on A220's, im fine with it. I believe those classes will be full because of it. I believe pilots will stay here to fly our airplanes because we are here for the contract and the great QOL it affords us.

I dont know where you're coming from on your POV, but ive heard some similar things from mil guys in my regional new hire classes as well as delta new hire classes. They openly mock the RJ's and the pilots flying them, which is why mainline gets the rep they have with regional guys. If thats what you're doing, im not gonna stop you, i would simply point out the majority of pilots in the airline industry, because we love it.

If tomorrow Delta tells me the hipsters just made their intentions clear, they want to fly to Chicago on a two legger in a 1900 with no fa and I'm doing it with no autopilot I'm still here for it. Im here for it if its a cessna. I fly people from here to there under a great contract, thats what i do for a living. I punch my clock, i smile, i cash my check, i leave.

Which this is all things Cog should know at this point.

Its not about how obvious the fix is, its that many pilots at Delta derride small jets and can't fathom a world where they'd be "made" to fly them.