TurbineBlade

Well, whenever the vaccine is approved, when Delta receives, and when we are required to take (even after FAA approval) I think we need to plan ahead and work with the company for an amendment to our short and long term disability in the event that this vaccine has long lasting or permanent negative side effects that end our careers. I don’t care how many “experts” say that it is safe. It is way too early and naive for anyone to claim it is safe.

Initially, even the polio vaccine paralyzed hundreds of children and adults and 11 people died due to a bad batch of vaccine.

So, in my mind we need to get past two issues concerning our specific group
1. Manufacturing errors
2. Long term side effects that could be detrimental to our careers

An insurance plan to protect us specifically in this instance, above and beyond our current long term disability, may be prescient.

The Rover

I completely agree, if we're forced to get this vaccine for work then we need some type of additional insurance from Delta.

Hank Kingsley

EEOC is coming out with something shortly. They have the hammer.
https://www.natlawreview.com/article...vid-19-vaccine

Drum

No, they don't. Storing flu vaccine below freezing kills it.

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccinat...andling_qa.htm
https://www.naccho.org/uploads/downl...cine-MDH-3.pdf
https://doh.sd.gov/diseases/infectio...e-storage.aspx
https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-a...age-chart.aspx
The list goes on and on.....

Try again. Pfizer's is stored at -94C. That is NORMAL use storage, not long term as you allude to (incorrectly of course).
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...t-15711275.php

No its' not.

Whatever happened to my body my choice?

Take it then, and good luck to you.

I'm telling you we are at least a year away from pilots getting it. FAA is looking hard at it right now. Some of the side effects are pretty server, to include death.

More than likely it will be voluntary just like the flu shot is. This is a 99.97% survivable bug. That is insignificant given our age demographic and our general health.

So pretty much take it at your own risk. DAL is going to be hard pressed to force this on us (I think EEOC is looking at this as well) - especially when the first pilot has serious deleterious side effects from it. Mark my words, that will happen. We better have a plan like some of the other posters discussed.

Nantonaku

Were there any serious side effects during the trials? I read someone got sick from the Pfizer vaccine but it never even came out what happened. With the UK already starting vaccinations and the US hoping to do 20 million by the end of the year I think we will find out soon. I read after 1 million people the more rare side effects, if there are any, will come out.

2StgTurbine

So the fact that they store it at a cold temperature scares you? I thought it was the mask-loving liberals who were scared. Now it's anti-maskers who are afraid of vaccines? It's really hard keeping track of who the scared ones are and who the brave ones are.

Anyway... instead of just blindly discounting an entire branch of science because it involves a temperature that your deem too extreme, let's talk about the actual reason why Pfizer is storing it at such a low temperature. As you are aware, mRNA vaccines are very new and the molecules are highly reactive to a wide variety of catalysts. Catalysts become less reactive as the temperature goes down. Since speed is the primary objective in this vaccine race, Pfizer simplified the development process by requiring a lower temperature in order to prevent testing with every form of catalyst that the mRNA molecules might come in contact with. If time wasn't such a priority, I'm sure they would do further development to ensure the mRNA never gets into contact with harmful catalysts. Think of it like a last-minute intersection takeoff... sure, we could probably do it, but it would take more time to get a new WDR, so we just stick to the full length since it's easier.

DeltaboundRedux

Ignorant is a strong word. I’ve been called worse.

The “game theory” play is to let the herd establish herd immunity via the new, non longitudinal studied vaccine (clearly the masks/shelter in place/hygiene isn’t viable because [reasons]) and instead benefit from the R<1 without getting the vaccine...which the masses DO receive.

Anti vaxers do this on a regular basis. (Not me, fyi)

It’s anti social behavior, but it works. At least until it doesn’t.

Nothing more personal than what one puts into one’s own body. Ignorant or not, I’d prefer to pass on this one and take my chances with COVID. Risk assessment is a key skill of a professional aviator; weight, age, risk factors, family history, etc...no thanks to an mRNA (experimental) vaccine.

Thanks for shouldering the burden though.

DeltaboundRedux

Is "death" a serious side effect?

Old articles about original Moderna vaccine had at least one fatality. See: The Google.

Then again: The CDC and the FDA look at percentages. I suspect the short term serious side effects are probably within normal vaccine parameters. No vaccine, no medicine, and no medical procedure is without risk.

If you trust your government without question regarding health care decisions, go look up the Tuskegee Syphilis Trials. 'Nuf said. Unless you think your US gov has become more transparent, more altruistic, and more honest.

Personally very concerned about a completely new type of vaccine: the mRNA vaccine. I don't understand the nuances (to say the least); I do understand that it's new, it's rushed, and there are ZERO longitudinal studies on mRNA vaccines in humans. The death rate on Covid is under 1%, and mostly for fat, OLD non-Asian types. What's the rush?

There are at least two conversations in this thread:

1. What gets the flying public back quickest?
2. What is my personal risk for this disease, and should I be concerned about the vaccine?

I've no answers. I'll pass if I can. As I understand it, the vaccine only confers limited immunity: you'll still get sick, only less so.

TransWorld

Is "death" a serious side effect? Old articles about original Moderna vaccine had at least one fatality. See: The Google.

No, on review, they found it was part of the placebo group. Yet the rumor was out.

GucciBoy

That death was in the placebo group. The death was from COVID, not the vaccine.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.upw...ial-2649085594