rickair7777

I never claimed to be, people are misquoting me, I got it from ALPA.

Also the initial vaccine approvals will be EUA, which I would NOT take without specific FAA approval because an EUA is not too different than a trial vaccine. Discussions here...

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/c...ualifying.html

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/c...s-vaccine.html

rickair7777

Personally I will wait for positive confirmation that it won't DQ me.

Quarantine? That makes no sense, none of the vaccines in the breech now are live-attenuated so they don't actually give you covid, mild or otherwise.

If the FAA has reason to believe a vaccine causes temp symptoms which impact your fitness to fly they might require a grounding for a few days. 14 days seems like a lot, that would be a powerful vaccine to jack you up for that long, I've had about every vaccine in the inventory and never feel anything for longer than maybe 1-2 days max.

rickair7777

Absolutely not, none of the vaccines on the short-term horizon are live-attenuated so they don't give you covid.

That makes sense, and checks with other vaccines we've had in the past.

rickair7777

Othe countries will mandate a vaccine for inbound aliens, including crew. The FAA will have to hurry up, unless they actually have good reason to disapprove. I'm guessing that will start mid 2021?

The death I read about turned out to be a placebo recipient... so that's a pretty bad vaccine, if just *thinking* you *might* have got it kills you

Even if someone in the trials died, so what? There are literally hundreds of thousands of people in those trials and sometimes people die.


It's not DAL you have to worry about, it's the governments of all the places you fly to. Even if most don't mandate it for their own citizens, it's a no-brainer to require the unclean foreigner to have all his shots. EEOC has no jurisdiction overseas.

Unless you're senior enough to bid lower-48 only.

TransWorld

QUOTE=rickair7777;3166473]Absolutely not, none of the vaccines on the short-term horizon are live-attenuated so they don't give you covid.

That makes sense, and checks with other vaccines we've had in the past.[/QUOTE]

I know some who get the annual flu vaccine who get a similar reaction for a couple of days. Myself, I only get a sore spot the the site of the injection.

TegridyFarms

I absolutely love watching pilots play doctors and scientists.

It’s America. It’s a free country. It’s your body. You have rights and freedoms. If you want to take the vaccine, take it. If you don’t, then don’t.

You have an entire spectrum of thoughts and emotions on COVID. Right now my neighbor is trying to get his fathers cause of death changed on his death certificate from COVID-19 to heart attack, which is what killed him. There is a pandemic clause in the life insurance that will not pay out based off of a COVID-19 cause of death. The man died of a heart attack. There are lawyers involved and it appears just the threat of a lawsuit will have profound affects on this case. Why was he a COVID death when he died of a heart attack? Because next of kin refused to let them take a tissue sample from the deceased and test it for COVID. So it was automatically ruled a COVID death. At least that was the hospitals initial defense which has quite a few holes in it.

Look—there are vaccines being developed that are pills, taken orally (Vaxart). There are mRNA vaccines. DNA based vaccines. Pfizer, Moderna, JnJ, you name it. I bought MRNA stock at $19.36. Still holding strong. I believe vaccines will help people. I also don’t think that the cure should be worse than the problem. I am in the age group that has a 99.73%ish survival rate if they get COVID. So me personally, I am going to wait it out on the vaccine and see the side effects.

To each his/her own. Just bored on a layover right now and thought I’d chime in.

My last thought on science: people who are skeptical of the science have a right to be. The science has changed. No masks—>masks. 14 day quarantine —> 7-10 day quarantine. Masks where I live were mandated anytime you are in public about 3 months ago. Since then we have had a huge surge in COVID cases. So, hard to tell. My kids are in school and almost none of them are getting it (11 cases since Sept and zero hospitalizations).

Sorry for the interruption doctors.....and you too scientists.

LumberJack

Drum, you're right about the temperature, I misunderstood an article I read. 2Stg's explanation was much better than mine.


As for people who are scared to take the vaccine, have you seen the long term complications of COVID? I would argue those are more scary than a drug company repeating a mistake from 1955.

Mayo Clinic: "COVID-19 symptoms can sometimes persist for months. The virus can damage the lungs, heart and brain, which increases the risk of long-term health problems."

WHO: "Approximately 10-15% of cases progress to severe disease, and about 5% become critically ill."

Looking at deaths alone doesn't tell the whole story.

LumberJack

SCIENTIFIC METHOD
Step 1 - Know the answer.

The reason for the surge is because we don't have compliance at a critical mass. Social distancing and masks work best if most everyone participates. My republican friends are the only ones traveling around, visiting friends and family. Are they wearing masks and social distancing during those visits? Nope. They're not scared. They're tough and just want the world to go back to normal. Double

TegridyFarms

Oh that’s the reason for the surge? Because we don’t have compliance at a critical mass? Glad that is cleared up. Let me ask you a serious question: after you fly a leg, assuming you’re a pilot at Delta... do you stand there and say goodbye to passengers? If so—you’re a hypocrite and part of the mass compliance problem. So by default you are no different than your republican friends who travel around and host super spreader events. Right? That isn’t socially distancing. You come within 12-18” of everyone exiting the plane. 80%+ of the guys are still doing that.

As far as the rest of your post— I’d venture on a limb to say that not just Republicans, but everyone wants the world to go back to normal? Republican, democrat, independent, I don’t care who you are or what you represent—the last 8 months is not a life anyone wants to sustain.

It is a virus. People are going to get it. All I was saying is that people who doubt the science have reasons to doubt it. It is also their right to doubt the science, or believe it. I personally believe the virus is real, the virus can be deadly, and for a large majority of Americans the virus is not a big deal. They live. 99%+ in many age groups. Is that??? Science? Oh yes, it is. It’s a fact. Just maybe not one that aligns with the narrative that you follow. Are masks gonna protect us? To some extent—yes. Are they a cure? No. Are they going to stop the spread of this? No. Are they going to slow the spread of this? I believe so. Follow the health on mental science and depression too. People need to socialize. They need to get out. They need to have a purpose. They need jobs to provide for their families and food to eat.

All that I shared in my post was my view on the vaccine and why people should have the choice to get it or not get it. As for the world going back to normal...yeah I want my kids in school, playing sports, going to and having birthday parties, family vacations, going to first communion classes that have been cancelled...I mean as dumb as it sounds, I even miss their little Christmas (errr Holiday?) concert they have at school this year. That must make me an evil republican?

You’re as bad as the media man. I made an entire post, which read in succession I think makes sense. You pick one sentence out of it, take the words out of context, and then take a jab at republicans?

If the science supports staying home, and politicians are telling their constituents that, and then going off to celebrate holidays with their families, vacations in Mexico, etc (both which just happened by the way)....then maybe the problem isn’t just Republicans. It’s humans being humans and wanting to live their lives. Once upon a time there was an apple tree with a piece of fruit on it. The two in the garden could have anything they wanted, except they were strictly forbidden from eating the apple. Guess what happened? The apple was eaten. Must have been the birth of the Republicans at that point.

The political system is broken. I am sick of everything being political. Republicans vs Dems vs The squad. I’m not gonna sit here on an anonymous message board and argue politics, but I also take issue with someone taking an entire post where politics weren’t mentioned (my last one) and trying to turn it into some BS about politics. Stay safe and happy holidays.

LumberJack

I omitted the first part of your post because I was replying to the second. I went back and re-read your entire message and it doesn't change my reply.
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Trump made this about politics a year ago (still is). And now the family and friends I have that don't take this seriously all have one thing in common.

I used to enjoy talking politics with my Republican friends. Two of my best friends are Republicans. My parents, siblings and 80% of my cousins are Republicans. I have no beef with Republicans, I quite literally love them. I was making a point that it's Republicans who tend to say scientists are incompetent or have ulterior motives.
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I agree with you on this, the political system is broken (almost always has been), but that's another matter I'd love to have a beer and discuss after this is over. I don't think anyone can dispute the "us vs them", villainizing of the other, is so much worse these days. Like I said in another thread, look at Trump’s tweets over the last four years and tell me it's not mostly his fault. The Commander in Chief spent four years NAME CALLING. I just hope we can get back to the Bush/Obama years where discourse was more civil.