Prepare Yourselves... 2021 AEs
04-02-2021, 02:12 PM
#1882
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
If you want a 4th stripe, bid for it.
WB B is for the young, fit, healthy crowd who can handle multiple time zones, eating at odd hours and surviving on 3 hours of sleep. Talk all you want about dozing for dollars, but you are exchanging your normal sleep cycle for two hours at a time in the cargo hold. A 5am wakeup after 8 hours sleep in a bed is a million times better than a 3am wakeup after a 2 hour nap in airline bedding. I loved the WB B lifestyle until I spent the last year on a normal sleep/eat cycle.
My biggest question is like yours. Where does the QOL crossover happen? How much seniority is required in the NB A ranks to fly in the daytime?
WB B is for the young, fit, healthy crowd who can handle multiple time zones, eating at odd hours and surviving on 3 hours of sleep. Talk all you want about dozing for dollars, but you are exchanging your normal sleep cycle for two hours at a time in the cargo hold. A 5am wakeup after 8 hours sleep in a bed is a million times better than a 3am wakeup after a 2 hour nap in airline bedding. I loved the WB B lifestyle until I spent the last year on a normal sleep/eat cycle.
My biggest question is like yours. Where does the QOL crossover happen? How much seniority is required in the NB A ranks to fly in the daytime?
Im a QOL guy so I only fly 1 trip maybe 2 max a month on reserve. Sleep cycle is a non event. 4th stripe is cool but been there when I was younger and not a motivator anymore. Really want to be able to control a schedule, bid holidays off. Wondering how senior you have to be to do that? Does it work dropping a line on the 20th picking up? Haven’t flown domestic since the optimizer so I have no idea the flexibility. WB is super flexible for now
04-02-2021, 02:14 PM
#1883
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Position: Not an RJ driver anymore
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Originally Posted by 172skychicken
The bid will leave ~350 open positions that could potentially be used for newhires. They haven't officially committed to hiring. Yet.
04-02-2021, 02:27 PM
#1884
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Position: E170 CA/LCA
Posts: 621
Originally Posted by Crown
there's probably 100-150 who were supposed to be in class by the end of March and into April, and another batch that had interviews scheduled...I'm hoping for the love of all that's holy that DL honors their previous commitments to those individuals
They have already recently reached out to those pilots and said they expect hiring to resume by end of 2021. I think they were being conservative with timeframe.
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04-02-2021, 02:36 PM
#1885
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,990
Is there something about Delta's 737s that restrict daylight operations?
Has anyone figured out how to get rid of all the 320 ECAM messages before 05:30 without two phone calls?
Why do the fuel quantity indications always work on everything but Airbus? Why must we know the offset angle of the Earth's rotation relative to the latitude and 5/9th the S&P close from last Tuesday to calculate FOB?
Why do you shut down Windows by clicking on "Start." Why do you depower Airbus by pushing "ON"?
Did the French, the Germans and the Brits ever come to a consensus on how to deal with wake turbulence (near) in ground effect?
Do all 320 rotations end with an international penalty lap? Why can the Airbus only fly internationally if at the end of a four-day when the last commute flight leaves at arrival +45 if parked at E3 and customs is only open on F.
Must a pilot maintain daylight currency? How do you get a sight picture without the reflection of the landing light on the runway?
Aren't we glad we don't fly for FedEx, oh wait ....
An attempted daylight landing after a daylight departure in VFR conditions at an airport that does not rhyme with "Fargo" or "Leaveland" ... this is acceptable, probably the best anyone could have done. Pilots see too much of the runway when they fly in broad daylight. That is why, really, only about the top 10% or so in seniority are ever allowed to even try.
Has anyone figured out how to get rid of all the 320 ECAM messages before 05:30 without two phone calls?
Why do the fuel quantity indications always work on everything but Airbus? Why must we know the offset angle of the Earth's rotation relative to the latitude and 5/9th the S&P close from last Tuesday to calculate FOB?
Why do you shut down Windows by clicking on "Start." Why do you depower Airbus by pushing "ON"?
Did the French, the Germans and the Brits ever come to a consensus on how to deal with wake turbulence (near) in ground effect?
Do all 320 rotations end with an international penalty lap? Why can the Airbus only fly internationally if at the end of a four-day when the last commute flight leaves at arrival +45 if parked at E3 and customs is only open on F.
Must a pilot maintain daylight currency? How do you get a sight picture without the reflection of the landing light on the runway?
Aren't we glad we don't fly for FedEx, oh wait ....
An attempted daylight landing after a daylight departure in VFR conditions at an airport that does not rhyme with "Fargo" or "Leaveland" ... this is acceptable, probably the best anyone could have done. Pilots see too much of the runway when they fly in broad daylight. That is why, really, only about the top 10% or so in seniority are ever allowed to even try.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 04-02-2021 at 02:47 PM.
04-02-2021, 02:59 PM
#1886
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Posts: 335
Originally Posted by crewdawg
In Nov, there were 32 converted from the dtw330b that may have recall rights. I know of at least 2 who were not included in that list due to being on mloa, that are now back and still have recall rights. Not sure how many of them are not from the moab...Haven't cross checked that but just from being in the category and knowing names, many are from the displacement.
Be as it may, it is still difficult to see how much of an impact they will have on the overall results. That being said, pilots not able to reinstate due to category closures are the ones who got royally "a verb one uses to describe using a screw driver to tighten a screw"ed.
04-02-2021, 04:05 PM
#1887
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,117
Originally Posted by JamesBond
Seniority number is all that matters... and you are saying 2700 for the 350? Oh I hope.....
04-02-2021, 04:10 PM
#1888
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Position: UNA
Posts: 4,419
Originally Posted by FL370esq
Yeahhhh....it might crack 2,000, maybe even 2,100 but I certainly don't see 40 vacancies at the top going below 2,200. Any of the displaced non-VEOP guys still awaiting reinstatement to DTW?
04-02-2021, 04:10 PM
#1889
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,558
Originally Posted by Gunfighter
My biggest question is like yours. Where does the QOL crossover happen?
Originally Posted by Eldee5
Yep, I may have jumped a few pages. Sorry. I really thought there were not that many. My bad.
Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Wonder how many bypasses there'll be this time..
04-02-2021, 04:17 PM
#1890
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Posts: 3,117
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
Pre COVID the jr DTW350A was ~2,700. And there are 118 350 A vacancies this bid. I think it going down to #2500 is not out of the question.
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