PilotJ3

Good! Bring in the FL base! Actually no, I don’t want the state to turn blue.

PilotBases

Let’s try to not infest another thread with Red v Blue?

I figure the next year will be very interesting. I opted to sit this out and remain unfrozen. Time will tell if that was a smart move.

TED74

At the risk of sounding snarky, what world is this Jepp tool actually designed for? If you can’t use it three out of four times in the real world, does it really offer us much?

HisDudenes5

As a CJO poolie I’m wondering - do you think they’ll only offer NYC spots to new hires even though there are over 100 unfilled positions on the west coast? Would be nice to see some of those SEA and LAX vacancies fall to us!

Gone Flying

NYC73NB is down to 137 after everyone converts from this bid

NYC320B is 191

if there is even a small amount of movement in other bases to open spots for current NYC pilots I think we will see NH to NYC soon

FangsF15

Actually, after looking a little closer at the "after" numbers, the NB Captain and F/O's are balanced after this bid reasonably well, and pretty close the the 22.D.3 projection (with a couple of exceptions, as below). I would not have thought there that many surplus F/O's on the 320 in NY, but there we are. Not suprised to see there are a lot of shortfalls on NYC 220B, as well as the surprise 7ERB. I suspect those two categories will have the lion's share of new hires until they have a cleanup Bid, and/or will be indicative of what the next bid will contain..

TED74

I’m not following you. Being short of 2019 staffing has nothing to do with this bid...it’s a function of the economy and management’s strategy throughout the pandemic. Sure, there are lots of seats locks now in place, but not one pilot (to my knowledge) was displaced and I’m guessing a lot of folks with seat locks are locked some place they are fine hanging out while the world unwinds this global mess.

If I were an airline trying not to double-train where I could avoid it and match capacity to need, I think this AE is about how I would have done it too. I disagree with most of management’s actions leading up to this but I’m not sure I see this particular shuffle as some sort of setup. Any specifics on what you’d have preferred to have seen on this AE or the last one?

contrails

The reason that thousands of pilots decided to forego being at the bottom of the category and seat in question is they decided that a combination of some of the following things are far more important than flying a 757 on an iconic route or buying their crew a drink in Accra for the 20th time:

- Weekends off if needed
- All holidays off if needed
- Summer vacation if desired
- The ability to make almost as much after tax, by greenslips instead of being coverage-forced into a 13 day off line
- Not being awarded one redeye per trip, every month, all year, for a total of ~45 after vaca/sick/CQ (that's a over a month of recovery days per year spent powering through and feeling like a zombie at a significant cost to one's health)
- Not being stuck with equally bad or worse, 05:00 reports which means waking up at some commuter hotel/pad at 03:30 and burning another half night's sleep

It is certainly a great opportunity for those who can make it work, but let's be realistic here -- if it were that great of a deal, it would never make it down to anywhere near ~9000 seniority.

Lou Reed

Also, even though it's not for a couple of years, the impending retirement of the 763s probably kept some people from bidding the category. That'll be another interesting displacement bid

contrails

Of course.

Why learn a new airplane (for those coming off of the right seat of something else), and then have basically zero prospect of moving up above 90% during the two year seat lock.