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#162
All jest aside the 2 day footprint of the past was cumbersome and out dated.
#165
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,555
In the end the JKT was just an onerous and overly stressful part of the interview process that in my mind didn't screen candidates based on true viability for the job. Now with it gone applicants can prepare in less time for a more reasonable interview process. Other than those wishing the same meat-grinder process on future candidates that we all had to go through in the past I don't know who is really sad to see the JKT go.
#166
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 2,767
Jtk was a silly test, i have no idea what the hell it was for. But if you want a written test, put a written test together, the atp test would at least be relevant but not my first choice.
Im excited by that dumb thing being axed too.
Im excited by that dumb thing being axed too.
#167
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,419
glad the JKT is done. If we are going to have a “job knowledge test” it should at least be based on airline relevant stuff/121 regs.
#168
The job knowledge test was exactly the opposite of its name. The vast majority of the questions served no real-world purpose. (distance between lat/long, anyone?) There were certainly some relevant questions in there, but the most basic stuff anyone should know anyways, but you never knew what questions you were going to get so you had to prepare for the worst. It took weeks of intense study to prepare for just that single portion of the interview. To that end, I guess it did help thin the candidate pool some by showing who was dedicated enough to put in that much effort to pass the test. But I doubt it really accurately differentiated between good an bad pilots. At least the cog test makes some sense as it more tests your mental acuity instead of rote knowledge. I heard anecdotally that lots of people passed the HR part but failed the JKT. Then they come back 6 months later and pass and get hired. I say dropping it is epic because it was by and large the worst part of the interview, and literally no one that I know who took it enjoyed any part of the JKT. I mean you can crush the HR portion but just by dumb luck get a bad question bank on the JKT and your day is done. My HR panel was stressful because of what was on the line, but it was also somewhat enjoyable as a conversation about myself and flying.
In the end the JKT was just an onerous and overly stressful part of the interview process that in my mind didn't screen candidates based on true viability for the job. Now with it gone applicants can prepare in less time for a more reasonable interview process. Other than those wishing the same meat-grinder process on future candidates that we all had to go through in the past I don't know who is really sad to see the JKT go.
In the end the JKT was just an onerous and overly stressful part of the interview process that in my mind didn't screen candidates based on true viability for the job. Now with it gone applicants can prepare in less time for a more reasonable interview process. Other than those wishing the same meat-grinder process on future candidates that we all had to go through in the past I don't know who is really sad to see the JKT go.
There certainly is a school of thought on that right or wrong. When I interviewed with Cathay, they made it known that the systems of all of their jets (747, 777, and A340) were all fair game for the interview. The breadth of possible questions was immense but the entire purpose was just to see who put in the work. It weeded out anyone who didn’t really want to be there.
#169
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 560
1) it was a bunch of stuff that they gave you to study. If you learned it, or at least an acceptable amount of it on your own time…….that showed initiative and that you’re a person who when given a bunch of material and being told “know this and you’ll be tested on it….” If you can do that—and aren’t a total tool during the interview you’ll be a good fit.
Why?
2) At Delta when you are assigned a new airplane—guess what?!? You're sent a ton of info that often times is new or foreign to you, you are asked to learn it on your own time, and show up on day one and take a test. And you’re asked to do that over and over for four weeks straight.
When I took the JKT I thought “Good God, that was so stupid.” Retrospectively, I understand why it exists once I taught myself an airplane and was tested on it. There’s definitely a correlation between that test and the way we train here.
#170
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 2,767
My two cents on the JKT.
1) it was a bunch of stuff that they gave you to study. If you learned it, or at least an acceptable amount of it on your own time…….that showed initiative and that you’re a person who when given a bunch of material and being told “know this and you’ll be tested on it….” If you can do that—and aren’t a total tool during the interview you’ll be a good fit.
Why?
2) At Delta when you are assigned a new airplane—guess what?!? You're sent a ton of info that often times is new or foreign to you, you are asked to learn it on your own time, and show up on day one and take a test. And you’re asked to do that over and over for four weeks straight.
When I took the JKT I thought “Good God, that was so stupid.” Retrospectively, I understand why it exists once I taught myself an airplane and was tested on it. There’s definitely a correlation between that test and the way we train here.
1) it was a bunch of stuff that they gave you to study. If you learned it, or at least an acceptable amount of it on your own time…….that showed initiative and that you’re a person who when given a bunch of material and being told “know this and you’ll be tested on it….” If you can do that—and aren’t a total tool during the interview you’ll be a good fit.
Why?
2) At Delta when you are assigned a new airplane—guess what?!? You're sent a ton of info that often times is new or foreign to you, you are asked to learn it on your own time, and show up on day one and take a test. And you’re asked to do that over and over for four weeks straight.
When I took the JKT I thought “Good God, that was so stupid.” Retrospectively, I understand why it exists once I taught myself an airplane and was tested on it. There’s definitely a correlation between that test and the way we train here.
If you were prior airline you could have slept through class.
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