New Hire Class Drops
08-25-2022, 06:34 PM
#2681
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Originally Posted by cantflylist
I believe they like to have a 6 month pool - as they probably did pre-covid. I also believe class sizes are now between 50-60. So they may be targeting over 1200 poolies. I was lucky to have only 2.5 months between CJO & indoc
08-25-2022, 06:43 PM
#2682
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Originally Posted by ParkerPilot
The 220 won't be available to new hires until the next AE, at the earliest. There were no open positions on the last AE so it effectively has the same constraints as the 350 and 330. No open bids for those on property, so no new hire slots!
08-25-2022, 06:59 PM
#2683
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Originally Posted by ParkerPilot
The 220 won't be available to new hires until the next AE, at the earliest. There were no open positions on the last AE so it effectively has the same constraints as the 350 and 330. No open bids for those on property, so no new hire slots!
08-28-2022, 03:53 AM
#2684
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
And the NYC 220 drought continues
08-28-2022, 04:21 AM
#2685
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Originally Posted by Baradium
I count around 60 unfilled secondary vacancies for 220 fo's, as long as they didn't deny any current pilots with a bid, they could fill those. New hire positions have to be offered to bid, but that includes secondary vacancies.
08-28-2022, 06:21 AM
#2686
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Out of curiosity how can you find the specifics of unfilled secondary vacancies? How do you determine that they are truly unfilled vs the company choosing not to backfill? I realize that the company would likely NOT "choose not to backfill" an entry level position.
I count up how many pilots are leaving the position and then subtract how many are awarded it
. If any positions were listed on the AE, I then add those to my total for my number of available positions.
08-28-2022, 06:37 AM
#2687
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The unfilled's that stand out to me, per widget seniority, are ATL 330B, ATL 765B, and NYC 765B (I only really looked at NY, ATL, and DTW). I'm guessing ATL 330B was a case of the company choosing not to fill and NYC 765B was prob truly unfilled. I'm curious which camp ATL 765B falls into.
08-28-2022, 09:35 AM
#2688
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Originally Posted by Prop Job
The unfilled's that stand out to me, per widget seniority, are ATL 330B, ATL 765B, and NYC 765B (I only really looked at NY, ATL, and DTW). I'm guessing ATL 330B was a case of the company choosing not to fill and NYC 765B was prob truly unfilled. I'm curious which camp ATL 765B falls into.
08-28-2022, 11:19 AM
#2689
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Originally Posted by Baradium
...which is what actually makes the unfilled secondaries available for new hires.
08-28-2022, 12:19 PM
#2690
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Are you sure about that? Contingent vacancies are not category vacancies. Pretty sure they would need to be rebid for a new hire to get them under 22.E.10. If you start out with 75 category vacancies for [as an example] NYC73N and 15 pilots bid out with no backfill, I suspect you have 75 vacancies immediately available for new hires and 15 that will need to be rebid as vacancies in the next AE.
By your logic, if the company posted an AE for 20 NYC73N, and 20 pilots bid off A220 to go there, they would have to post another AE to even have any new hire vacancies.
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