New Hire Class Drops
09-17-2022, 08:24 AM
#2797
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
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Originally Posted by BusWhisperer
8/25 CJO here. Can someone give me the cliff notes on how the seat lock works? Or point me to a place I can find the info?
Thanks!!
Thanks!!
if the airplane you’re initially assigned does not have a base in the domicile you desire, you may bid to change base/airplanes after 12 months.
09-17-2022, 08:40 AM
#2798
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,604
Originally Posted by OOfff
If the airplane you’re initially assigned has a base in the domicile you desire, 24 months.
if the airplane you’re initially assigned does not have a base in the domicile you desire, you may bid to change base/airplanes after 12 months.
if the airplane you’re initially assigned does not have a base in the domicile you desire, you may bid to change base/airplanes after 12 months.
You can change bases on the same airplane as soon as there's a bid open after you start indoc, even if it's the first day.
If you want to just switch to a different plane in your current base, or switch to a base that also has your current plane, then it's 24 months.
If you want to switch to a base that does not have your plane, or if the other base has your current plane but you do not have the seniority to hold your current plane in that base, you can switch to a different plane after 12 months, but you add the remaining 12 months to your new 24 month seat lock, meaning you will be locked for 36 months.
Also, when we say "switch bases", what we really mean is you can bid on the first bid where the first conversions start after your seat lock deadline (12 or 24 months). You could still wait another 9-12 months to actually train/transfer, so you could be stuck in your new hire spot for a while depending on the timing of things.
In practical terms, if you get the 320 or 737 right off the bat, you will have no issues since every base now has those fleets so you'd just need a transfer on the first bid that happens after you get hired. Other fleets will be more restrictive, so depending on which domicile you want to end up in you'll want to structure your initial bid accordingly. If you want LAX, don't bid the 717 or 220, for example, since neither plane is there. Basically figure out which planes are in your desired domicile and prioritize those first.
09-17-2022, 10:25 AM
#2799
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Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 194
Originally Posted by tennisguru
That's sort of a murky description.
You can change bases on the same airplane as soon as there's a bid open after you start indoc, even if it's the first day.
If you want to just switch to a different plane in your current base, or switch to a base that also has your current plane, then it's 24 months.
If you want to switch to a base that does not have your plane, or if the other base has your current plane but you do not have the seniority to hold your current plane in that base, you can switch to a different plane after 12 months, but you add the remaining 12 months to your new 24 month seat lock, meaning you will be locked for 36 months.
Also, when we say "switch bases", what we really mean is you can bid on the first bid where the first conversions start after your seat lock deadline (12 or 24 months). You could still wait another 9-12 months to actually train/transfer, so you could be stuck in your new hire spot for a while depending on the timing of things.
In practical terms, if you get the 320 or 737 right off the bat, you will have no issues since every base now has those fleets so you'd just need a transfer on the first bid that happens after you get hired. Other fleets will be more restrictive, so depending on which domicile you want to end up in you'll want to structure your initial bid accordingly. If you want LAX, don't bid the 717 or 220, for example, since neither plane is there. Basically figure out which planes are in your desired domicile and prioritize those first.
You can change bases on the same airplane as soon as there's a bid open after you start indoc, even if it's the first day.
If you want to just switch to a different plane in your current base, or switch to a base that also has your current plane, then it's 24 months.
If you want to switch to a base that does not have your plane, or if the other base has your current plane but you do not have the seniority to hold your current plane in that base, you can switch to a different plane after 12 months, but you add the remaining 12 months to your new 24 month seat lock, meaning you will be locked for 36 months.
Also, when we say "switch bases", what we really mean is you can bid on the first bid where the first conversions start after your seat lock deadline (12 or 24 months). You could still wait another 9-12 months to actually train/transfer, so you could be stuck in your new hire spot for a while depending on the timing of things.
In practical terms, if you get the 320 or 737 right off the bat, you will have no issues since every base now has those fleets so you'd just need a transfer on the first bid that happens after you get hired. Other fleets will be more restrictive, so depending on which domicile you want to end up in you'll want to structure your initial bid accordingly. If you want LAX, don't bid the 717 or 220, for example, since neither plane is there. Basically figure out which planes are in your desired domicile and prioritize those first.
09-17-2022, 10:38 AM
#2800
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
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Originally Posted by smtx123
Regarding the switching of aircraft and base after 12 months… does this mean you must wait for an AE that’s posted after 12 months to bid? Or can you be awarded that on an AE prior to the 12 months and then go to training once the 12 months is up?
You would have to wait for an AE, and i'm assuming your 12-month freeze would have to expire before the conversion window begins.
"An entry level pilot will incur a 24-month category freeze.
Exception: A pilot who is in the last 12 months of such category freeze may be awarded an AE or VD to another base for which qualification training is required if he is unable to be awarded an AE or VD to such base in his current position in a given posting. In such event, the balance of his existing category freeze will be added to the category freeze resulting from the new position award."
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