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Old 06-08-2021 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tcco94
We still have 56 planes parked and I remember reading 2 months ago 717 is bringing more back that were originally retired. (Fleet newsletter).... Thought I heard the same for 320/7ER's

I haven't seen any E periods scheduled on 220. I would have happily taken the extra money to do it, lol
Parked are considered to be active and staffed by current categories.
or maybe they are planning on 600 + 2400 guys fly 56 jets!!
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Old 06-08-2021 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
We just retired 77 Maddogs, 10 737s, 9 320s and 18 777s.
VEOP plus age 65: about 2k dudes left.
Deliveries are at 34 ac this year, 32 in 2022.

If hiring is so aggressive what are these dude going to fly? Unless there is a monster order ready to be announced with super fast deliveries..

E periods already being utilized on most fleets.
don’t we have 220s and 321NEOs coming in large numbers with a few airbus wide bodies coming each year as well? And that’s just what has been announced.
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Old 06-08-2021 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
don’t we have 220s and 321NEOs coming in large numbers with a few airbus wide bodies coming each year as well? And that’s just what has been announced.
We need pilots. I just can’t see how we need 3000 of them in the next year and a half.

By 2026:
50 220s
29 more 339s
20 more 359s
100 320neos

Subtract
91 717s
36 767s
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Old 06-08-2021 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
We need pilots. I just can’t see how we need 3000 of them in the next year and a half.

By 2026:
50 220s
29 more 339s
20 more 359s
100 320neos

Subtract
91 717s
36 767s
fair enough, although if the demand is there, we will buy more planes (I think this is very likely) or keep the 717/767s or both.

personally I see us ordering more 220s, expediting deliveries of NEOs and 220s we already have on order, and maybe a MAX 8 order.

on the intl side I think we will see delivery timeframes moved up if the demand is there with the possibility (50/50 odds IMO) of more aircraft ordered.
But that may just be me being optimistic.
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Old 06-08-2021 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
Isn’t the OE/TOE wait limited mainly to the ER? We are ramping up quite a bit of TATL 7ER flying starting July 2. I think the TOE backlog will start clearing pretty quick.
There are quite a few CDG trips on the ER in June. The first one started on the 5th. I was surprised it wasn’t utilized for TOE. Nor was the one departing yesterday. I don’t see the backlog moving much at that rate.
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Old 06-08-2021 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
We need pilots. I just can’t see how we need 3000 of them in the next year and a half.

By 2026:
50 220s
29 more 339s
20 more 359s
100 320neos

Subtract
91 717s
36 767s
isn't it a bit premature to do staffing calculations for 5 years in advance? I think from today to 2026 assuming we buy no airplanes is a bit pessimistic
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Old 06-08-2021 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
Parked are considered to be active and staffed by current categories.
or maybe they are planning on 600 + 2400 guys fly 56 jets!!
Well that's interesting. Seems month to month block hours are increasing by large %'s proportional to our green slips we've been handing out the last 6 months. If UNA'S returning were just filling the gap and now increase in hours, I'd say hiring makes no sense. With more flights coming each month and some months having 3x more green slips than ever recorded for that month, hiring large numbers seems to make sense to me. But I may be overlooking something....
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Old 06-08-2021 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dbrownie
But yet we have pilots waiting months for OE and TOE?
I don’t think we can do that.
Even if they wait for OE/TOE, they are still hired and onboard at that point. I waited 6 weeks between indoc ending and starting M88 school when I was hired.
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Old 06-09-2021 | 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
Isn’t the OE/TOE wait limited mainly to the ER? We are ramping up quite a bit of TATL 7ER flying starting July 2. I think the TOE backlog will start clearing pretty quick.
330 is backed up 6-8 weeks right now for OE. More data points…
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Old 06-09-2021 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by palooza
330 is backed up 6-8 weeks right now for OE. More data points…
Thanks. Does anyone know if any other fleets are having delays? I’ve only heard it on the ER (and now the 330)
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