New Hire Class Drops
12-08-2021, 03:59 AM
#921
Can’t find crew pickup
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
If I had to guess, I’m thinking it’s about a 70/30 split with people just like you.
12-08-2021, 12:27 PM
#922
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Position: LAX ER
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Using 7ER going junior as evidence of 330 going to NH is rather weak. 7ER rarely does intl, has lots of redeyes, and most benefit greatly from the VEOP and got displaced to hold better airplanes or left seat in same base. 330 right now needs a lot more airplanes and seat locks for it to become junior like you're saying. The orders are there but it's still a few years away and that still assumes a vast majority of guys on property now and hired this year and next skip widebody B for upgrades. That's just not the case.
Point being let's see the damn airplane get a little more junior first before we throw out its going to NH. The seniority right now to hold 330 is still pretty damn long and upgrade will probably remain more junior for the time being being on the next few bids I reckon.
But 7ER isn't what it was in 2015, let's be real here. It's a domestic airplane, shrinking, with lots of Latin America, Hawaii (for now), SA, some Europe, transcons, redeyes and crappy charter flying that senior guys who got displaced have no desire for anymore.
Point being let's see the damn airplane get a little more junior first before we throw out its going to NH. The seniority right now to hold 330 is still pretty damn long and upgrade will probably remain more junior for the time being being on the next few bids I reckon.
But 7ER isn't what it was in 2015, let's be real here. It's a domestic airplane, shrinking, with lots of Latin America, Hawaii (for now), SA, some Europe, transcons, redeyes and crappy charter flying that senior guys who got displaced have no desire for anymore.
12-08-2021, 03:40 PM
#923
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,909
Originally Posted by tcco94
Using 7ER going junior as evidence of 330 going to NH is rather weak. 7ER rarely does intl, has lots of redeyes, and most benefit greatly from the VEOP and got displaced to hold better airplanes or left seat in same base. 330 right now needs a lot more airplanes and seat locks for it to become junior like you're saying. The orders are there but it's still a few years away and that still assumes a vast majority of guys on property now and hired this year and next skip widebody B for upgrades. That's just not the case.
Point being let's see the damn airplane get a little more junior first before we throw out its going to NH. The seniority right now to hold 330 is still pretty damn long and upgrade will probably remain more junior for the time being being on the next few bids I reckon.
But 7ER isn't what it was in 2015, let's be real here. It's a domestic airplane, shrinking, with lots of Latin America, Hawaii (for now), SA, some Europe, transcons, redeyes and crappy charter flying that senior guys who got displaced have no desire for anymore.
Point being let's see the damn airplane get a little more junior first before we throw out its going to NH. The seniority right now to hold 330 is still pretty damn long and upgrade will probably remain more junior for the time being being on the next few bids I reckon.
But 7ER isn't what it was in 2015, let's be real here. It's a domestic airplane, shrinking, with lots of Latin America, Hawaii (for now), SA, some Europe, transcons, redeyes and crappy charter flying that senior guys who got displaced have no desire for anymore.
The forum isn’t throwing out the idea - the fleet manager is. They expect to have new hires to 330 in 2022. I don’t have access to his data and frankly don’t think it’ll happen, but people in the know seem to want to plan for the contingency. I think we get 6-9 new 330-900s in 2022. Add that additional manning to covid/marketing unknowns, retirements, new 350s, other fleets maxed out on training and a large number of seat locks company-wide and there is a bit of a storm brewing. Open time for the 330 over Christmas is looking pretty overwhelming, and that’s before folks who will go NQ have had their trips pulled from their schedules.
12-08-2021, 06:18 PM
#924
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We will see, they've said a lot of things and facts are the airplane is still no where near being junior enough for a new hire. I hope you're right (or they are) because I will be dodging ship from the ER to 330 ASAP. But I'll be realistic with my expectations
12-08-2021, 07:20 PM
#925
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Originally Posted by tcco94
We will see, they've said a lot of things and facts are the airplane is still no where near being junior enough for a new hire. I hope you're right (or they are) because I will be dodging ship from the ER to 330 ASAP. But I'll be realistic with my expectations
Another thing that would lend credence is that having newhires on the 330 gives us another “fleet” to hire into. With no more 88, that’s a couple fewer seems we can put new guys through, and it’ll all about hire and train as much as possible now. Open up some 330s for newhires, and that’s a few more sims you get to schedule with.
12-09-2021, 03:17 PM
#926
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
73n/320/220 in that order would be my guess. But hard to tell.
our base change bidding here is awful and super unpredictable compared to other airlines. It makes it very hard to tell when you will get a new base. For one bids are only run a few times a year and they’re is no rhyme or reason as to when. And a second thing is after you are actually awarded a new base, the company has (depending on the type of bid) either 7 months or a year to actually move you to said new base. If you are awarded SLC on an AE (delta speak for vacancy bid) while still in indoc or sims it could still be a year before you actually see SLC.
you can probably get SLC on any NB on the first bid that is run after you are hired…but as stated above it could be awhile before you actually see SLC
our base change bidding here is awful and super unpredictable compared to other airlines. It makes it very hard to tell when you will get a new base. For one bids are only run a few times a year and they’re is no rhyme or reason as to when. And a second thing is after you are actually awarded a new base, the company has (depending on the type of bid) either 7 months or a year to actually move you to said new base. If you are awarded SLC on an AE (delta speak for vacancy bid) while still in indoc or sims it could still be a year before you actually see SLC.
you can probably get SLC on any NB on the first bid that is run after you are hired…but as stated above it could be awhile before you actually see SLC
Any advice for a guy looking to get LAX ASAP? Also predictions of how long to get LAX and how long upgrade times are at LAX?
Thank you so much for your time.
12-09-2021, 03:38 PM
#927
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Position: UNA
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Originally Posted by Paranoma87
Any advice for a guy looking to get LAX ASAP? Also predictions of how long to get LAX and how long upgrade times are at LAX?
Thank you so much for your time.
Thank you so much for your time.
7ER is 757/767-300
Based off the last vacancy bid, every single NB and ER FO category had unfilled positions except SEA7ER, so going forward it is hard to tell. but any pilot could have had any NB FO position in LA respecting their seat lock on the last bid.
current junior CA in LAX is projected to be a Feb 2017 hire and #97XX out of about 13,000 current seniority list pilots…but I’ll caveat that with the old adage that past performance does not guarantee future results.
12-10-2021, 08:15 AM
#929
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Posts: 10
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
LAX has 320/73N/7ER. it also had the 350 but that’s not a factor for NH.
7ER is 757/767-300
Based off the last vacancy bid, every single NB and ER FO category had unfilled positions except SEA7ER, so going forward it is hard to tell. but any pilot could have had any NB FO position in LA respecting their seat lock on the last bid.
current junior CA in LAX is projected to be a Feb 2017 hire and #97XX out of about 13,000 current seniority list pilots…but I’ll caveat that with the old adage that past performance does not guarantee future results.
7ER is 757/767-300
Based off the last vacancy bid, every single NB and ER FO category had unfilled positions except SEA7ER, so going forward it is hard to tell. but any pilot could have had any NB FO position in LA respecting their seat lock on the last bid.
current junior CA in LAX is projected to be a Feb 2017 hire and #97XX out of about 13,000 current seniority list pilots…but I’ll caveat that with the old adage that past performance does not guarantee future results.
12-10-2021, 09:06 AM
#930
Roll’n Thunder
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Originally Posted by Paranoma87
Thank you so much for the info. If there are unfilled NB FO spots in every base then why are all these new hire class drops going mostly to NYC? Is there no one bidding for LAX/SLC or some other reasoning?
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