Well, I guess for some it's a trick question. Maybe that's you, only you have that insight.

But, I do applaud your hilarity. Unfortunately, I imagine you think your response is a well thought out, reasonable answer.

I'll await others' efforts.

 

Ok, I'll try again. In one case the person is running (rushing), in the other case, the person is not. Per the PWA, the response time is intentionally undefined as "promptly unavailble".

So, I'd say the difference is rushing versus not rushing.

 

I believe the 2 hours is pay no credit, but then for doing an additional SC your guarantee also goes up an hour. In many cases that effectively means 3 hours.

 

Correct, except 3:00 for each additional SC is in all cases where you are awarded an additional SC beyond the tables in 23.S.2.c.2.

- 4.C.1.d.exception 4: Res Guar increases by 1 hour for each additional SC beyond the table in 23.S.2.c.2 (may be less than 6 due to absences/Vacay/CQ/etc).

- 23.S.3.b: Each additional SC conversion is 2:00 pay/no credit, regardless of whether you are used or not.

 

"promptly unavailable"? WTF is that?

As per my question, if a pilot takes 2+ hours to transit 2 concourses to get to a SC assignment(because they can). You have hit the nail on the head to say "that" person is not rushing. You are absolutely correct. ( I knew there was/were Delta pilots with an artificial leg, but totally legless with no prothetitics defies imagination. Even pax assist could deliver such a pilot 2 concourses in less than 2 hours)

Let me give you a hypothetical. A pilot , on probation, misreads their schedule, and no shows a trip. The company, understading this is a possibility, has a SC pilot assigned to cover such an eventuality. The SC pilot, who is at the airport because they are a commuter, gets notified of the trip coverage and time ie "now". But , because the SC pilot(having the PWA to back them up) takes 2+ hours to get there because...."they can". During the ensuing 2 hours, the FA's time out...so FA scheduling calls out reserves. By the time the reserve FA's gets there, the other pilot(s) time out. End result, the flight cancels. Delta, is on the hook for "stuff"( hotels/meals/vouchers). The said original "no show pilot on probation" is in a heapum amount of trouble, exacerbated by the shizerstorm of bad press and costs. All because someone wanted to "Put it to the man and, "uphold the contract" because doing otherwise, would "disenfranchise" the pilot working group.

My definition of promptly available(which I think you meant) means ASAP.....not ....."taking as long as possible" because, "you can, per the PWA". That has been the main point of most posters.....Take all 2 hours even if you don't need to/want to.

 

I’m at 6 SCs and gonna have another 4 day block of reserve way down the list where I’m gonna YS SC. I know they’re gonna deny it. I just don’t understand how they can justify it when they’re definitely going to give the same SC to someone in the same days available bucket.

Reading through the contract is seems like such a clear cut violation I don’t know how they can possibly even try to get away with it.

There have to be hundreds of pilots system wide being denied SC 7+ right now.

Any idea how it’s going to play out down the line? I’m gonna do a report every day they give someone else a SC that I should have gotten.

 

They are interpreting the word "MAY" in 23.S.3 as the controlling word. While ignoring 23.S.1.f.6, which is under the heading for "WILL".

Absoulutely file a Crew Assist (Jetstream) case, then a STS every single denied SC. Eventually, I suspect there will be a settlement, and there will be a huge payday for some.

 

why would they settle when they can play this out over a MUCH longer time via arbitration?

 

First, as I know you know, "promptly available" is intentionally undefined in the PWA. So no one should be making up their own definition. But once again for any lurkers, it is generally agreed that about 2 hours-ish complies with the PWA, while also officially acknowledging that traffic or other unforseen circumstances may extend that time - especially in NYC (and sadly, less so in LA)

Second, the point 'most posters' have been trying to make is not, as you put it, "take all 2 hours". Rather, it is that if you do take 2 hours, for whatever reason, you are not wrong or non-compliant. And more specifically, cannot face any discipline.

Finally, Neither the company nor the pilots want "promptly available" defined, because then we would be subject to discipline if 1 mintue late. No one wants that. To that end, both the pilots and the company have an interest in not playing games. I think your point is not to intentionally abuse the time 'allowed', and that point is well taken. If I can safely get there without rushing before 2 hours, I will - and I hope others do as well. If I cannot make it 'early', oh well. Regardless, I'm not going to stress one bit over it.

 

Your definition is fine, but your hypothetical relies on a SC pilot agreeing with your definition and that they are actually are closer than the generally accepted 2ish hours.
The company is gambling that an SC pilot will bail out their need for a VAS/reroute pilot.