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08-21-2023 | 09:01 AM
#1271
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What's the rest requirement for trips assigned on short call but that have a break before the trip and don't fit into the max RAP+FDP duty time? Do you have to get the full break-in-duty before the assigned trip starts or the FAA min rest? (Most likely it will be an ocean crossing).
08-21-2023 | 09:23 AM
#1272
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What's the rest requirement for trips assigned on short call but that have a break before the trip and don't fit into the max RAP+FDP duty time? Do you have to get the full break-in-duty before the assigned trip starts or the FAA min rest? (Most likely it will be an ocean crossing).
We'd need more details of what exactly scheduling is trying to do. If they want to put you into rest in base for less than 18 hours and then have you report for a trip then that is a completely illegal assignment.
08-21-2023 | 09:41 AM
#1273
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Your question doesn't quite make sense. If you are on SC you cannot be given a SC assignment that requires rest before reporting. While you are on SC you can be assigned a rotation beginning as early as 18 hours after the end of your SC period, but that would be a LC assignment. If scheduling desires they can shorten your SC period to give you the 18 hours between SC and your assigned rotation.
We'd need more details of what exactly scheduling is trying to do. If they want to put you into rest in base for less than 18 hours and then have you report for a trip then that is a completely illegal assignment.
We'd need more details of what exactly scheduling is trying to do. If they want to put you into rest in base for less than 18 hours and then have you report for a trip then that is a completely illegal assignment.
Let's say they try this:
SC from 2000 to 0500
Assigned trip at 0500 that has a 12hr duty day and starts at 1900.
It was assigned during SC, but has adequate rest but is more than the max RAP+FDP but less than the 18hr LC call-out. This is an illegal assignment?
08-21-2023 | 10:05 AM
#1274
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It's just a hypothetical.
Let's say they try this:
SC from 2000 to 0500
Assigned trip at 0500 that has a 12hr duty day and starts at 1900.
It was assigned during SC, but has adequate rest but is more than the max RAP+FDP but less than the 18hr LC call-out. This is an illegal assignment?
Let's say they try this:
SC from 2000 to 0500
Assigned trip at 0500 that has a 12hr duty day and starts at 1900.
It was assigned during SC, but has adequate rest but is more than the max RAP+FDP but less than the 18hr LC call-out. This is an illegal assignment?
08-21-2023 | 10:06 AM
#1275
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From: Pilot
It's just a hypothetical.
Let's say they try this:
SC from 2000 to 0500
Assigned trip at 0500 that has a 12hr duty day and starts at 1900.
It was assigned during SC, but has adequate rest but is more than the max RAP+FDP but less than the 18hr LC call-out. This is an illegal assignment?
Let's say they try this:
SC from 2000 to 0500
Assigned trip at 0500 that has a 12hr duty day and starts at 1900.
It was assigned during SC, but has adequate rest but is more than the max RAP+FDP but less than the 18hr LC call-out. This is an illegal assignment?
If scheduling wants you to report at 1900 they would have to cut your SC period short to end at 0100, giving you proper 18 hour LC notification.
08-24-2023 | 09:52 AM
#1276
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Move reserve off days request
I’m unsuccessfully trying to put in a “move my reserve off days” request. I get the following error message:
“Violates Off-day Grouping Requirements”
My current schedule has XX days, 31Aug-11Sep and 15Sep-17Sep, and the rest on call days. I don’t understand why I cannot request to move off days 5-7Sep to 18-20Sep. This request would satisfy the 3-99-5, so what am I missing?
Thank you for the help.
“Violates Off-day Grouping Requirements”
My current schedule has XX days, 31Aug-11Sep and 15Sep-17Sep, and the rest on call days. I don’t understand why I cannot request to move off days 5-7Sep to 18-20Sep. This request would satisfy the 3-99-5, so what am I missing?
Thank you for the help.
08-24-2023 | 10:31 AM
#1277
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From: Pilot
I’m unsuccessfully trying to put in a “move my reserve off days” request. I get the following error message:
“Violates Off-day Grouping Requirements”
My current schedule has XX days, 31Aug-11Sep and 15Sep-17Sep, and the rest on call days. I don’t understand why I cannot request to move off days 5-7Sep to 18-20Sep. This request would satisfy the 3-99-5, so what am I missing?
Thank you for the help.
“Violates Off-day Grouping Requirements”
My current schedule has XX days, 31Aug-11Sep and 15Sep-17Sep, and the rest on call days. I don’t understand why I cannot request to move off days 5-7Sep to 18-20Sep. This request would satisfy the 3-99-5, so what am I missing?
Thank you for the help.
08-24-2023 | 11:07 AM
#1278
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You cannot move X days from the middle of an X day block. Basically however many blocks of X days you get in PBS is the maximum you can have. Taking X days from the middle of a long block takes that single block and turns it into 2 blocks, which because of reasons is not allowed. You can only move X days starting from the beginning or end of an X day block.
The bolded part is not accurate, though a common misconception. You can create create more x-days blocks than PBS awards, it's just not always easy. I agree that it's ridiculous we can't move from the middle of an x-day block, it just doesn't make sense. It will take a few PCS's for mataron to make it happen, but if the coverage allows, they could make it happen by walking reserve days (or x-days, however you view it) to the days he wants.
08-24-2023 | 01:06 PM
#1279
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From: Pilot
The bolded part is not accurate, though a common misconception. You can create create more x-days blocks than PBS awards, it's just not always easy. I agree that it's ridiculous we can't move from the middle of an x-day block, it just doesn't make sense. It will take a few PCS's for mataron to make it happen, but if the coverage allows, they could make it happen by walking reserve days (or x-days, however you view it) to the days he wants.
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