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11-17-2024 | 09:54 PM
#2292
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The culture is changing, for good.
11-18-2024 | 12:42 AM
#2293
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How does that work when you might be one of the last flights out on an international departure, a pilot no shows but he had signed in for the trip 12 hours prior and it takes the crew 20-30 min to figure out he's a no show. The guy they call, that is on SC says, "he will be there" but refuses to give a time frame(all the while knowing he is going to drag his feet for 2+ hours because "the PWA"..... and he's sitting 2 gates down, engaged on his phone)
Serious question. Maybe something other than..."Not my problem". Might as well figure out the answer sooner rather than later because it a legit question that the company will want an answer to a some future point.
Serious question. Maybe something other than..."Not my problem". Might as well figure out the answer sooner rather than later because it a legit question that the company will want an answer to a some future point.
My response would be to ask if their award VAS button is on MEL? The tools are there for them to use.
11-18-2024 | 02:53 AM
#2294
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How does that work when you might be one of the last flights out on an international departure, a pilot no shows but he had signed in for the trip 12 hours prior and it takes the crew 20-30 min to figure out he's a no show. The guy they call, that is on SC says, "he will be there" but refuses to give a time frame(all the while knowing he is going to drag his feet for 2+ hours because "the PWA"..... and he's sitting 2 gates down, engaged on his phone)
Serious question. Maybe something other than..."Not my problem". Might as well figure out the answer sooner rather than later because it a legit question that the company will want an answer to a some future point.
Serious question. Maybe something other than..."Not my problem". Might as well figure out the answer sooner rather than later because it a legit question that the company will want an answer to a some future point.
the serious answer as pointed out above is to use the PWA tool to cover a flight immediately. A short call pilot is not that tool. If you don’t know what step of coverage this is and you’re still huffing about short call pilots taking too long I would suggest cracking the PWA open.
11-18-2024 | 03:56 AM
#2295
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Lots of mil guys follow the contract too. They spent a ton of time getting bent over in places most sane people would never want to see, and a reason they are here at DAL (and other places) is that they got tired of it. Nice try though.
11-18-2024 | 05:37 AM
#2296
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no dude, this is a bunch of your “bros” scratching their heads wondering why you are pushing the company koolaid. I personally added the question of retirement because its oddly desperate to be here while retired yelling at dudes to hurry up on SC and not follow established practice.
god what a fragile little bird you are
im taking 2 hours no matter where i am unless it benefits me. Period. It keeps the precedent we all enjoy. You sir, are not at this company. Maybe find new hobbies. Buy a boat, learn to paint, get your green thumb going, buy an ounce of shrooms and an RV and go explore. Ffs dont sit here and yell at “junior” on apc, and then when called out instantly turn political and claim victim status. What a joke lol
11-18-2024 | 06:10 AM
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"promptly unavailable"? WTF is that?
As per my question, if a pilot takes 2+ hours to transit 2 concourses to get to a SC assignment(because they can). You have hit the nail on the head to say "that" person is not rushing. You are absolutely correct. ( I knew there was/were Delta pilots with an artificial leg, but totally legless with no prothetitics defies imagination. Even pax assist could deliver such a pilot 2 concourses in less than 2 hours)
Let me give you a hypothetical. A pilot , on probation, misreads their schedule, and no shows a trip. The company, understading this is a possibility, has a SC pilot assigned to cover such an eventuality. The SC pilot, who is at the airport because they are a commuter, gets notified of the trip coverage and time ie "now". But , because the SC pilot(having the PWA to back them up) takes 2+ hours to get there because...."they can". During the ensuing 2 hours, the FA's time out...so FA scheduling calls out reserves. By the time the reserve FA's gets there, the other pilot(s) time out. End result, the flight cancels. Delta, is on the hook for "stuff"( hotels/meals/vouchers). The said original "no show pilot on probation" is in a heapum amount of trouble, exacerbated by the shizerstorm of bad press and costs. All because someone wanted to "Put it to the man and, "uphold the contract" because doing otherwise, would "disenfranchise" the pilot working group.
My definition of promptly available(which I think you meant) means ASAP.....not ....."taking as long as possible" because, "you can, per the PWA". That has been the main point of most posters.....Take all 2 hours even if you don't need to/want to.
As per my question, if a pilot takes 2+ hours to transit 2 concourses to get to a SC assignment(because they can). You have hit the nail on the head to say "that" person is not rushing. You are absolutely correct. ( I knew there was/were Delta pilots with an artificial leg, but totally legless with no prothetitics defies imagination. Even pax assist could deliver such a pilot 2 concourses in less than 2 hours)
Let me give you a hypothetical. A pilot , on probation, misreads their schedule, and no shows a trip. The company, understading this is a possibility, has a SC pilot assigned to cover such an eventuality. The SC pilot, who is at the airport because they are a commuter, gets notified of the trip coverage and time ie "now". But , because the SC pilot(having the PWA to back them up) takes 2+ hours to get there because...."they can". During the ensuing 2 hours, the FA's time out...so FA scheduling calls out reserves. By the time the reserve FA's gets there, the other pilot(s) time out. End result, the flight cancels. Delta, is on the hook for "stuff"( hotels/meals/vouchers). The said original "no show pilot on probation" is in a heapum amount of trouble, exacerbated by the shizerstorm of bad press and costs. All because someone wanted to "Put it to the man and, "uphold the contract" because doing otherwise, would "disenfranchise" the pilot working group.
My definition of promptly available(which I think you meant) means ASAP.....not ....."taking as long as possible" because, "you can, per the PWA". That has been the main point of most posters.....Take all 2 hours even if you don't need to/want to.
If case one happens, and in a hub, they would reroute a crew to cover the nearest flight then tap reserves for later flight. That seems to be the motis operandi these days
The better "hypothetical" to posture is why isn't the company using VAS? It's in the contract but they make the conscious decision to not. Therefore not my problem. I'll get there in 2ish hours regardless of where my butt happens to be located. Don't like it? Use VAS.
11-18-2024 | 07:18 AM
#2298
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No one should be waiting until retirement to do these things.
11-18-2024 | 08:24 AM
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It is generational but not in the way you think. Previous generation had short response times and limited complexity for RES in the PWA. The current PWA allows for all types of RES staffing and response timing. The reason we now have VAS in the PWA is for immediate response. Given the large metropolitan areas of our crew bases and the understood definition of "required to be within the general area of his base and promptly available for contact by Crew Scheduling and must be able to promptly report" there are coverage gaps the company wishes to remove at thier discretion, hence VAS. The additional responsivness is compensated and codefied by the latest PWA. There are several generational changes over the years in the PWA, this is only one example. Hourly pay is another, just as you can't be paid 2004 pay rates because the PWA has been superceeded the RES rules and compensation have also improved.
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