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Old 11-25-2024 | 08:54 AM
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What is the reason VAS isn't being used? Less contactability means less avaiability. They literally can't contact me to make those multiple when and where calls.
It’s a programming issue that’s assigning trips out of order. Even using VAS is up to the company’s discretion.

Again, it’s been explained to you by multiple posters why using that provision as a local might not be advantageous. In the situation I was in, it would not have applied since the assignment came >2 hours after beginning my SC.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
It’s a programming issue that’s assigning trips out of order. Even using VAS is up to the company’s discretion.

Again, it’s been explained to you by multiple posters why using that provision as a local might not be advantageous. In the situation I was in, it would not have applied since the assignment came >2 hours after beginning my SC.
It's been explained to you that locals bennefit the most. In your case the harrassing calls would not have been made. VAS is company discretion changing the calulus is the reason for using NC. Programming errors are not my concern. They will manually correct the errors, or pay for the violation.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
It's been explained to you that locals bennefit the most. In your case the harrassing calls would not have been made. VAS is company discretion changing the calulus is the reason for using NC. Programming errors are not my concern. They will manually correct the errors, or pay for the violation.
Ok, since you can’t see anyone else’s point of view on this, enjoy.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
Ok, since you can’t see anyone else’s point of view on this, enjoy.
I see the point of view, it's just wrong.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I see the point of view, it's just wrong.
I said good day!
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Old 11-25-2024 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
It’s a programming issue that’s assigning trips out of order. Even using VAS is up to the company’s discretion.

Again, it’s been explained to you by multiple posters why using that provision as a local might not be advantageous. In the situation I was in, it would not have applied since the assignment came >2 hours after beginning my SC.
Respectfully, I don’t think you are grasping the issue. It’s also been explained several times that using NC allows you to be exempt from the first 2 hours of SC, AND that simply checking your schedule via iCrew puts you back in a normal contactable status where they must call you, and leaving you plenty of time to drive to work.

literally the only downside for a local is that you have to bother to 1. Call CS at original SC assignment notification time, and 2. check your schedule in iCrew 1 minute into your SC. Bottom sentence of the SRH page 80, and top sentence of page 81.

why would you not do this every SC as a local? What do you think the disadvantage is?

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Old 11-25-2024 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
I said good day!
Last word!
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Old 11-25-2024 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
I’ve been called on SC with a report in 45 min. Flat out told them I can’t make it and would be there in approximately 2 hours. 15 min after the original report time, I got two calls from CS asking where I was and I even had the captain call me from the cockpit wondering where I was!

So yeah, we even have pilots pushing other pilots on report times.
You can always text the captain first. "Hey ____, I just got called in to fly with you. I'll be there in about 2 hours."

We have no obligation to answer the phone after the notification. We also have no obligation to rush.

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Old 11-25-2024 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Respectfully, I don’t think you are grasping the issue. It’s also been explained several times that using NC allows you to be exempt from the first 2 hours of SC, AND that simply checking your schedule via iCrew puts you back in a normal contactable status where they must call you, and leaving you plenty of time to drive to work.

literally the only downside for a local is that you have to bother to 1. Call CS at original SC assignment notification time, and 2. check your schedule in iCrew 1 minute into your SC. Bottom sentence of the SRH page 80, and top sentence of page 81.

why would you not do this every SC as a local? What do you think the disadvantage is?
This is the point CX500T and I are trying to get across with this issue: PWA 23.9.b.2.b

In short, if using the 2 hour provision, CS can still award a rotation as early as 2 hours from the start of the SC period. I can't be sitting at home waiting to call CS to switch my contactable status or check my schedule on iCrew for the first at SC +2:01.

Yes, I totally understand that under the provision, a pilot cannot be assigned a trip in the first two hours. There is more to it than that though.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
What is the reason VAS isn't being used? Less contactability means less avaiability. They literally can't contact you to make those multiple when and where phone calls to pressure you.
Go look at the trip coverage ladder for rotations less than 18 hrs out. VAS is below short call pilots. VAS is not going to save any short call pilot from getting called. It can only be used to cover reroutes. I did 3 of them earlier this year. Pretty good deal with a very low probability of getting called.
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