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Old 11-25-2024 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Not correct. They can't assign a report before the 2 hours.
I think you should repost this in bold, three times, and watch how many people still don’t understand or want to generate strange reasons this is bad.

The only valid argument against the process that I see right now is having to make two calls, and having something you really need to do in the first [120ish minutes minus prep and drive time] of one’s SC period. But you’ve already gotta be primed to receive notification, so why not? And if a commuter would rather fly on a SC instead of not flying and receiving an hour of pay/no credit…then don’t bother.

I’m on board. Reduce time window of acceptable rotation assignments and reduce the likelihood of being used. I guess we’re an army of two.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Extenda
So, I always thought the NC was for commuters who would say something like “hey I know my SC starts at noon, but my second flight lands at 1:59pm, but I’ll be at the airport if you want to give me a showtime at 2pm while airborn.” The implication is that buddy will be pulling up to an adjacent gate to where his assigned 2pm trip leaves from.

if you’re a local and you call them and tell them you’re NC and the same thing happens, you’re saying you could get that same 2pm report time and be like “I’ll be there in a reasonable time (4pm)” when they call you at 2pm after your NC period?

Just trying to understand, I’m local and like CX500, I’ve always just left my house at the start of my SC when they call. even if they gave me something with an unreasonable report time. (Im also 1hr Newark, 2-3 hours JFK)
23.S.9.b.exception

Just read all of 23.S.9 a. through f. (SC RES) without predudice
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Old 11-25-2024 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
Did the CA know that you had gotten assigned via SC? Or when? If not cut him some slack, he just knows you aren’t there.
Actually he did. He called CS asking about my whereabouts before he called me. The second call from CS was a scheduler asking me where I was because the Captain had called them.

He also cloud have looked at the Daily Trip Cov and see I was assigned the trip 40 min ago.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
Actually he did. He called CS asking about my whereabouts before he called me. The second call from CS was a scheduler asking me where I was because the Captain had called them.

He also cloud have looked at the Daily Trip Cov and see I was assigned the trip 40 min ago.
Man there's probably several thousand folks that wouldn't even know what/where that list is, not sure i'd expect guys to immediately think to go cross ref that.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
23.S.9.b.exception
I suppose your specifically mean Exception, d)

"When the pilot checks their schedule, their line may contain a rotation with a report as early as two hours from the start of the short call period"
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Old 11-25-2024 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Pro tip:
1) call when assigned SC to be NC
2) set phone alarm for when SC begins
3) check Micrew for trips at SC start time (there will not be an assignment on your schedule but if there is start your 2ish hour report process and disregard #4)
4) check icrew (you now are on normal SC call out "promptly available.")

Do not acknowledge anything in Micrew or icrew, just check. They will call you after the 2 hours when you are contactable or after the icrew schedule check.
If you check your schedule at start of short call and find they assigned you a trip that reports 2 hours into your short call, now what? As a local, I can’t make it in two hours (rush hour, snow, farthest co-terminal or all of the above.). The non contactable clause, even though it is revocable, could still burn you. When you use this, you are now signing on for a DEFINED 2 hour callout to be at the airport. It’s no longer PROMPTLY AVAILABLE. I can be promptly available to drive in, but I can’t commit to being at any co-terminal in a defined two hours. I fully understand once revoked, you go back to promptly available. The chance exists though, you could get that “as soon as two hours” assignment and earn yourself a demerit when you delay a flight.

I see your logic, and it’s not wrong; but as a local, I could get burned. I’m not going to utilize the non-contactable play.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
If you check your schedule at start of short call and find they assigned you a trip that reports 2 hours into your short call, now what? As a local, I can’t make it in two hours (rush hour, snow, farthest co-terminal or all of the above.). The non contactable clause, even though it is revocable, could still burn you. When you use this, you are now signing on for a DEFINED 2 hour callout to be at the airport. It’s no longer PROMPTLY AVAILABLE. I can be promptly available to drive in, but I can’t commit to being at any co-terminal in a defined two hours. I fully understand once revoked, you go back to promptly available. The chance exists though, you could get that “as soon as two hours” assignment and earn yourself a demerit when you delay a flight.

I see your logic, and it’s not wrong; but as a local, I could get burned. I’m not going to utilize the non-contactable play.
No one is saying this play works for every person. But there are certainly lots of locals who can make it to the airport in 2 hours or less, and for them it can be used to block scheduling from assigning certain rotations thus giving them a better chance of not being used.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
No one is saying this play works for every person. But there are certainly lots of locals who can make it to the airport in 2 hours or less, and for them it can be used to block scheduling from assigning certain rotations thus giving them a better chance of not being used.
Actually, there is one guy saying that….
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Old 11-25-2024 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
No one is saying this play works for every person. But there are certainly lots of locals who can make it to the airport in 2 hours or less, and for them it can be used to block scheduling from assigning certain rotations thus giving them a better chance of not being used.
There is absolutely someone saying it. In fact he is even said it degrades the PWA by not using it.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
If you check your schedule at start of short call and find they assigned you a trip that reports 2 hours into your short call, now what? As a local, I can’t make it in two hours (rush hour, snow, farthest co-terminal or all of the above.). The non contactable clause, even though it is revocable, could still burn you. When you use this, you are now signing on for a DEFINED 2 hour callout to be at the airport. It’s no longer PROMPTLY AVAILABLE. I can be promptly available to drive in, but I can’t commit to being at any co-terminal in a defined two hours. I fully understand once revoked, you go back to promptly available. The chance exists though, you could get that “as soon as two hours” assignment and earn yourself a demerit when you delay a flight.

I see your logic, and it’s not wrong; but as a local, I could get burned. I’m not going to utilize the non-contactable play.
What is more likely, you get a +2:01 report 1 second into your window or you just become PROMPTLY AVAILABLE by checking your schedule? What if the phone rings 1 second into your window and you didn't go NC? How is this any different? Your being arguementative because you want to be correct. You are not. But I like the fiestyness. Bring on your scenarios!
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