Reserve for Dummies
07-07-2025 | 10:50 AM
#3411
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“Agreement with ALPA”. What B. S. Been given that outright lie myself. They were 100% wrong (supervisor too), and got reprimanded. Making crap up is unacceptable.
I may have to fly now/grieve later, but don’t believe a single word they say. Follow up with the union and get paid. Hopefully the new contract will include punitive penalties for shenanigans like this.
I may have to fly now/grieve later, but don’t believe a single word they say. Follow up with the union and get paid. Hopefully the new contract will include punitive penalties for shenanigans like this.
07-07-2025 | 11:19 AM
#3412
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07-07-2025 | 11:19 AM
#3413
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Joined: Feb 2016
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Right, that's the other potential "benefit" of doing it. If you hadn't invoked the 2 hours, you wouldn't have been due that 7ish hours of assignment pay. They would have just straight up (legally) given you the trip as normal with nothing extra.
You got hosed I agree, and they didn't follow the rules. But making that 2-hour call at least got you compensated for it where you wouldn't have been otherwise.
You got hosed I agree, and they didn't follow the rules. But making that 2-hour call at least got you compensated for it where you wouldn't have been otherwise.
“Agreement with ALPA”. What B. S. Been given that outright lie myself. They were 100% wrong (supervisor too), and got reprimanded. Making crap up is unacceptable.
I may have to fly now/grieve later, but don’t believe a single word they say. Follow up with the union and get paid. Hopefully the new contract will include punitive penalties for shenanigans like this.
I may have to fly now/grieve later, but don’t believe a single word they say. Follow up with the union and get paid. Hopefully the new contract will include punitive penalties for shenanigans like this.
07-07-2025 | 11:34 AM
#3414
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Would someone explain to me like I'm 5 years old what the benefit of doing the two hours non-contactable thing is? I know the idea is that it allows you to commute in during the first two hours of your SC window, but they can still assign flying to you during that time, right? So, you could turn your phone on and have a trip assignment. So what's the benefit?
07-07-2025 | 11:39 AM
#3415
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From: Left lane in the Skyhop
Yep agreed. Now forensically tracking down the 7'ish hour's that was posted to a time card that was already closed out from the previous month, there's a challenge.
You may have been meaning to reply to mine. But yea, the "agreement with ALPA" on how the 2hr NC provision functions. BS. What's interesting in my scenario, is after I got off the phone with the CS supervisor, (my BP is at around 300psi), I get a random call a few minutes later from an ALPA rep, that I didn't initiate. (So the CS sup I guess phoned him after our frosty chat, indicating a pilot was unhappy with an assignment?). He basically said ALPA and CS'ing were at some sort of semi-stalemate on how the NC provision is supposed to work. I dunno, on we go.
You may have been meaning to reply to mine. But yea, the "agreement with ALPA" on how the 2hr NC provision functions. BS. What's interesting in my scenario, is after I got off the phone with the CS supervisor, (my BP is at around 300psi), I get a random call a few minutes later from an ALPA rep, that I didn't initiate. (So the CS sup I guess phoned him after our frosty chat, indicating a pilot was unhappy with an assignment?). He basically said ALPA and CS'ing were at some sort of semi-stalemate on how the NC provision is supposed to work. I dunno, on we go.
So what is the company's version of non-contactable?
07-07-2025 | 11:50 AM
#3416
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They can assign a report time as early as the start of your SC window, with the knowledge that you aren't required to show up at the airport until the 2 hour point. The PWA wording says a pilot who invokes non-contactable cannot be assigned a rotation that reports earlier than 2 hours into the SC window.
Scheduling also often gets confused that you go back onto the "promply available" leash once you check your schedule. So say you've got 1200 SC. You check your schedule at 1300 and no asignments have been given. Then scheduling calls at 1330 and assigns a 1345 report. They still expect you to be there by 1400 (immediately available leash) even though youv'e reverted to promptly available.
Scheduling also often gets confused that you go back onto the "promply available" leash once you check your schedule. So say you've got 1200 SC. You check your schedule at 1300 and no asignments have been given. Then scheduling calls at 1330 and assigns a 1345 report. They still expect you to be there by 1400 (immediately available leash) even though youv'e reverted to promptly available.
07-07-2025 | 12:10 PM
#3417
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Besides what has been mentioned above, one thing to highlight is that if you use the non-contactable clause, you are now "immediately available" for a trip once the window ends vs. normal reserve timelines (i.e. Your 2 hour non-contactable is 10-12, they can call you at 1201 and expect you to be at the airport for an immediate report time). This become N/A if you check your schedule in Icrew any time during the 2 hour window, in which you then revert back to normal reserve rules.
Your scenario sounds more like a pilot that never did check their schedule, 1201 rolls around and CS calls saying "we placed this on your schedule an hour ago, we don't see that you've checked your schedule this morning, so you should be in position for this legally assigned trip." This is indeed a scenario where a pilot could get themselves in trouble.
07-07-2025 | 12:22 PM
#3418
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Sort of. The pilot is responsible for acknowledging any rotation at some point during the non-contactable period. If 1159 rolls around, pilot officially checks their schedule and there's nothing there, they would revert to promptly available. Then that 1201 call for a newly-assigned rotation would come at a time that "promptly available" is the only requirement, not immediately available.
Your scenario sounds more like a pilot that never did check their schedule, 1201 rolls around and CS calls saying "we placed this on your schedule an hour ago, we don't see that you've checked your schedule this morning, so you should be in position for this legally assigned trip." This is indeed a scenario where a pilot could get themselves in trouble.
Your scenario sounds more like a pilot that never did check their schedule, 1201 rolls around and CS calls saying "we placed this on your schedule an hour ago, we don't see that you've checked your schedule this morning, so you should be in position for this legally assigned trip." This is indeed a scenario where a pilot could get themselves in trouble.
07-07-2025 | 12:24 PM
#3419
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From: Left lane in the Skyhop
So if you're a 40 minute drive from the airport, when does the savviest of pilots check their schedule? Right at the start of short call period? 1 hour and 20 minutes into your non-contactable period?
07-07-2025 | 12:24 PM
#3420
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Read my post above yours. Your scenario almost never plays out. Everyone who invokes NC knows to check their schedule, and it is scheduling that isn't aware of when the pilot checked their schedule. Basically no matter what they expect immediate availability during the first 2 hours, even if you check your schedule 1 minute into your SC window.
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