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Old 11-26-2024 | 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DryClutch
Ok ill admit, slowly warming up to this. So, if your on your last off-day and you see a 10am SC pop up for tomorrow, you just contact CS right then and there and indicate your preference to be NC the first 2?
That's basically it, but for nyc they usually ask what airport/flight you are coming in on. Probably so they know which airport you can be expected to be on property.

For me, the have to make two hours checking it right at SC start isn't worth the grief. I've been used once off SC since they started this use all SCs thing, that was for a trip reporting at SC1+15, that they didn't bother to call me until SC 0+30 for. I can't make EWR in 45 if I was already suited up, so I just go when called and eventually get there.

It was a JFK international departure but early in the evening so I got full on rush hour fun.

2+18 to the emplo lot once I started driving. Which was about 30 minutes after their call. Then another half hour because bus left as I was parking and construction.

When I was flying up from Virginia, I used 2 hour NC all the time and my backup flight was picked off of what gets in closest to SC+2
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Old 11-26-2024 | 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by iLikeMoose
Perfect. Would you mind translating the rest of chapter 23 of the PWA into this style when you get a chance?
seriously, they need a TED74 Scheduling Handbook for people like me.
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Old 11-26-2024 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DryClutch
Ok ill admit, slowly warming up to this. So, if your on your last off-day and you see a 10am SC pop up for tomorrow, you just contact CS right then and there and indicate your preference to be NC the first 2?
The SRH says that you must call scheduling at the time of SC award to notify them that you will be NC. Functionally, as long as there isn't already a rotation assigned during that SC window you can call them, but the earlier the better.
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Old 11-26-2024 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
you’re telling them you are non-contactable for “up to 2 hours.” They can’t put a rotation on your line until SC+2:00.

at SC + 0:01 you check your schedule and see nothing. You call and tell them you’re contactable. Your non-contactable window is now over 1 minute in and the soonest report is back to prompt (2-3 hours understood depending on base).
Ok this is the part that's sending me into a neurological trainwreck derailment. Help me out.

Is what this means, is that originally you were NC for the first two hours. Got it. Then at SC + 0:01 you sked check, see nothing, now your back to contactable, but they still cannot assign you a trip that reports in that first two hours because you originally set yourself up as NC?

(My brain only see's you doing the 0:01 sked check which puts you back to contactable, making the NC option vanish back into thin air so your just a regular SC which makes no sense to me)
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Old 11-26-2024 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
That's basically it, but for nyc they usually ask what airport/flight you are coming in on. Probably so they know which airport you can be expected to be on property.

For me, the have to make two hours checking it right at SC start isn't worth the grief. I've been used once off SC since they started this use all SCs thing, that was for a trip reporting at SC1+15, that they didn't bother to call me until SC 0+30 for. I can't make EWR in 45 if I was already suited up, so I just go when called and eventually get there.

It was a JFK international departure but early in the evening so I got full on rush hour fun.

2+18 to the emplo lot once I started driving. Which was about 30 minutes after their call. Then another half hour because bus left as I was parking and construction.

When I was flying up from Virginia, I used 2 hour NC all the time and my backup flight was picked off of what gets in closest to SC+2
I’m a NYC commuter, not a driver like you, and I’ve been using the 2 hr NC for better part of a decade and I have never, I mean not even one time, been asked about what airport I am flying into when I inform them of my 2 hr NC status.
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Old 11-26-2024 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
I’m a NYC commuter, not a driver like you, and I’ve been using the 2 hr NC for better part of a decade and I have never, I mean not even one time, been asked about what airport I am flying into when I inform them of my 2 hr NC status.
If I was ever asked, I'd politely decline to answer. Aside from the fact we're not required to disclose our location on reserve, it’s not helping anyone by telling them one and winding up at another.
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Old 11-26-2024 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DryClutch
Ok this is the part that's sending me into a neurological trainwreck derailment. Help me out.

Is what this means, is that originally you were NC for the first two hours. Got it. Then at SC + 0:01 you sked check, see nothing, now your back to contactable, but they still cannot assign you a trip that reports in that first two hours because you originally set yourself up as NC?

(My brain only see's you doing the 0:01 sked check which puts you back to contactable, making the NC option vanish back into thin air so your just a regular SC which makes no sense to me)
No.

By calling in NC, you prevent the company from assigning you a rotation that reports during the first 2 hours (not allowed by the PWA), where as if you didn't call in NC, its allowed for for scheds to call you at SC + 0:01 for report at 0:02 and getting the "how fast can you be here" with the 2'-ish to 3-ish hours to report.

But at SC +0:01 you log into icrew and check your schedule...assuming nothing has been assigned, you have not turned off the NC status and your back to the normal "promptly available"

You are basically cutting your 6 hour window (of where scheduling can assign a report) down to 4.
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Old 11-26-2024 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
No.

By calling in NC, you prevent the company from assigning you a rotation that reports during the first 2 hours (not allowed by the PWA), where as if you didn't call in NC, its allowed for for scheds to call you at SC + 0:01 for report at 0:02 and getting the "how fast can you be here" with the 2'-ish to 3-ish hours to report.

But at SC +0:01 you log into icrew and check your schedule...assuming nothing has been assigned, you have not turned off the NC status and your back to the normal "promptly available"

You are basically cutting your 6 hour window (of where scheduling can assign a report) down to 4.
Ok thanks. The bold section, if true (not saying your false but like a lot of this stuff we might have a different interpretation), thats the material I needed unpacked.
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Originally Posted by DryClutch
Ok this is the part that's sending me into a neurological trainwreck derailment. Help me out.

Is what this means, is that originally you were NC for the first two hours. Got it. Then at SC + 0:01 you sked check, see nothing, now your back to contactable, but they still cannot assign you a trip that reports in that first two hours because you originally set yourself up as NC?

(My brain only see's you doing the 0:01 sked check which puts you back to contactable, making the NC option vanish back into thin air so your just a regular SC which makes no sense to me)
You are correct that once you view your schedule/end NC status as 0:01 into it SC window, there is nothing stopping scheduling from calling you at 0:02 with. 0:03 report time. However, you are now on promptly available leash and there is no expectation that you be there immediately. But this scenario is very rare.

What most people seem to be missing is that, especially with these 6 hour windows, anecdotally most trips that go to SC pilots hit open time between 18 and 2 hours prior to report. It is not uncommon with a 1200 SC period to wake up at 0800 and find a 1330 report rotation that was placed on your schedule during the night. The point of going NC is to block 1/3 of your SC window from being used by scheduling, up until the point you choose to end your NC status.
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Old 11-26-2024 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
That's basically it, but for nyc they usually ask what airport/flight you are coming in on. Probably so they know which airport you can be expected to be on property.

For me, the have to make two hours checking it right at SC start isn't worth the grief. I've been used once off SC since they started this use all SCs thing, that was for a trip reporting at SC1+15, that they didn't bother to call me until SC 0+30 for. I can't make EWR in 45 if I was already suited up, so I just go when called and eventually get there.

It was a JFK international departure but early in the evening so I got full on rush hour fun.

2+18 to the emplo lot once I started driving. Which was about 30 minutes after their call. Then another half hour because bus left as I was parking and construction.

When I was flying up from Virginia, I used 2 hour NC all the time and my backup flight was picked off of what gets in closest to SC+2
I'm not NYC so I hadn't given this much thought but, you would be afforded the additional time if you air commuted to the "wrong" airport so there's really no risk. In fact it would give you greater flexibility. You are NC until SC starts, then check the schedule. If there's a trip from EWR I could be hanging at my beach house on long island 2 hours from JFK. Or if LGA, I'm in Atlantic city at the craps table. When you were in VA you planned your commute and a backup that was most convienent at any of the 3. The SC doesn't tie you to an airport but the region. As for grief, really? You make a call to say you are NC when assigned the SC. That's litterally the only communication. Set you alarm for SC start time and log into icrew and view your schedule, done. Since you used NC as an air commuter, there's NO difference. East Hampton to Newark could take your entire remaining SC window. Not your problem.

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