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Old 01-15-2025 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tripled
icrew should have a check box allowing for exactly this type of volunteerism when reporting for a trip. If the capt also checks the box then to the top of the reroute volunteer list you go! Skeds could then abide by a new coverage step that says use this crew first if able. Enjoy your rrpy and the others can enjoy their planned layover. Winning.

(Yes yes of course Sked’s (or rather tracking) will want to consider downstream effects of using this volunteer crew but at least it’s another useful layer of schedule protection)
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Old 01-16-2025 | 05:12 AM
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Just catching up on page after page of this discussion. Several pages back, AI was mentioned as a goal for scheduling. That could actually be a huge win for QOL if we had a completely (non-human) system figuring out who gets scheduled when since there would be no ‘cheating’ or ‘fly now, grieve later’. Now, the ninjas that hawk for illegal trips will lose a bunch of cash, but it could actually get us to a PWA compliant process.
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Old 01-16-2025 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by waldo135
Just catching up on page after page of this discussion. Several pages back, AI was mentioned as a goal for scheduling. That could actually be a huge win for QOL if we had a completely (non-human) system figuring out who gets scheduled when since there would be no ‘cheating’ or ‘fly now, grieve later’. Now, the ninjas that hawk for illegal trips will lose a bunch of cash, but it could actually get us to a PWA compliant process.
Because AI is renowned for its ability to create accurate solutions instead of constantly spitting out hot garbage.

Someone recently decided to upload the PWA and SRH to ChatGPT. One of the results was that the AI claimed that a 2 hour short call leash was contractual.

So yeah, anytime someone claims they're going to improve a process with AI, I become extremely skeptical.
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Old 01-16-2025 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 80knotsV1rotate
Because AI is renowned for its ability to create accurate solutions instead of constantly spitting out hot garbage.

Someone recently decided to upload the PWA and SRH to ChatGPT. One of the results was that the AI claimed that a 2 hour short call leash was contractual.

So yeah, anytime someone claims they're going to improve a process with AI, I become extremely skeptical.
Happens once…tweak software…fixed.
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Old 01-16-2025 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by waldo135
Happens once…tweak software…fixed.
Nah, just let the arbiter decide in 11 months.
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Old 01-16-2025 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
This attitude that everything is about making extra money is pervavsive in the industry but way worse at Delta. If you cant make it on the current rates one is doing it wrong but that's on them.
I can make it on a third of what I’m paid. But that doesn’t mean I don’t try to maximize my pay. This job serves one purpose - produce income.

The perfect gig (for me) is never working for a ton of money. Second to that, it’s working a little for a ton of money. My goal is half a million on 250 hours of block. I could easily make half of that on 800 hours of block…would that better align with your wishes for my work/life balance?

This is, after all, a reserve thread. When I bid reserve I’ve already accepted going wherever they need me. Now I just hope for reroutes to make the extra scratch. Call me greedy, but scratch pays for my kids’ education and life experiences, my family vacations, a seasonal home, comfortable living for aging parents, early retirement, community donations, and some fun toys to enjoy during all the time off. Not sure why pilots at other airlines would do it any differently.
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Old 01-16-2025 | 06:35 AM
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Year 1 base pay at a 72 hour ALV with no profit sharing is $104,276.

Year 2 at 72 hour ALVs with no profit sharing is $143,614 (B717), $147,640 (A220), $159,684 (A320/B73N), and $165,006 (7ER/321). In Year 3 the 717 base becomes $168,074.

Especially in those first 2 years, there is a lot of incentive for FOs to use the available tools to make extra money. It’s odd to me that any pilot would disparage another for working the system to do that.
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Old 01-16-2025 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
How about we reroute you into min rest layovers for multiple nights in a row. Be careful if you call fatigued though that doesn't constitue reroute pay.
well that would be an illegal rotation. Can’t have multiple layovers in a row with less than 12 hours of rest in a row
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Old 01-16-2025 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 170Till5
well that would be an illegal rotation. Can’t have multiple layovers in a row with less than 12 hours of rest in a row
12 G 13 is for rotation construction only. You can be rerouted to consecutive less than 12 hour layovers.

edit to add: bid package rotations; no restrictions on will need rotations. Source NN23-05
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Old 01-16-2025 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
I can make it on a third of what I’m paid. But that doesn’t mean I don’t try to maximize my pay. This job serves one purpose - produce income.

The perfect gig (for me) is never working for a ton of money. Second to that, it’s working a little for a ton of money. My goal is half a million on 250 hours of block. I could easily make half of that on 800 hours of block…would that better align with your wishes for my work/life balance?

This is, after all, a reserve thread. When I bid reserve I’ve already accepted going wherever they need me. Now I just hope for reroutes to make the extra scratch. Call me greedy, but scratch pays for my kids’ education and life experiences, my family vacations, a seasonal home, comfortable living for aging parents, early retirement, community donations, and some fun toys to enjoy during all the time off. Not sure why pilots at other airlines would do it any differently.
Are you guys getting rerouted so much that it's bringing in truly meaningful additional income? (Truly meaningful I guess means different things to different people) I feel like I get RR'ed once or twice every month and a half on average. So an extra 3-6 hours comes in every once and a while. Which is great, im glad we have it. Maybe I should try harder on getting RR'ed more often. I also bid reserve all year and try to work as little as possible so I suppose i'm just not exposed to the system like others are.
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