No, it doesn’t. See this sentence in SA 24-03:

”If the pilot is in a contactable status (i.e., Long Call or Short Call), a voicemail from a crew scheduler for a flying assignment or rest period is considered attempted contact.”

It specifically excludes a VM from CNO is attempted contact in that case.

 

A scheduler will not call if it's placed on your schedule 12 hours prior to non fly days ending

 

Point of order (1) is not correct. The pre-release "required" Schedule check can contain a rotation NET 18 hours later, SC 18 hours later, or immediate rest. Obviously YS can reduce that time accordingly. SRH page 88.

Point of order (2): I used 18:01 in an attempt to clarify, but perhaps I worded it confusingly by including the minutes. (18:00 was meant as 18 hours and 00 mintues, not the time 1800). But you are absolutely correct that a PR will change the time of day that 18 hours calculates to. Which is why it's best to speak of it in terms of hours, not time.

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To the other discussion about the last no-fly day and "making yourself aware" of an assignment, I'd say the words matter. If you want to consider it a "distinction without a difference" in your mind, I'm okay with that. But we are not required to check our schedule for this. You must 'make yourself aware', because CS will not call you. You can have a friend check for you (not that you would, but you could). As opposed the "requried" pre-release schedule check which has a 30 minute window.

Also, agree with others that CNO is only legal for conversion of a reserve pilot from LC to SC. Simple. Anything else is not legal (unless you self-acknowlage, which makes it legal). For example, A CNO is not legal while on SC for a second SC assignment.

 

Scheduling is not required to call when:

1. You are assigned a rotation or SC that reports between 10 and 18 hours after the start of LC if the assignment was placed by 12 hours prior to the start of LC
2. If a rotation or SC reporting at least 18 hours from release is on your schedule when you do your required schedule check within 30 minutes of block in on your final flight of a rotation
3. If a rest period that starts immediately is on your schedule when you do your required schedule check within 30 minutes of block in on your final flight of a rotation
4. If you are on LC, when you enter PWA-mandated rest at 0600 on the last day of reserve going into a golden day off or vacation
5. If you are on SC, when you enter PWA-mandated rest at 1200 on the last day of reserve going into a golden day off or vacation
6. If you are on LC, when you enter your PWA-mandated rest up to 24 hours prior to the report of a rotation assignment
7. If you are on LC, when you enter your PWA-mandated rest 18 hours prior to the start of a SC period

Scheduling is not required to call, but can use CNO voicemail when:

8. You are actively on LC or SC at the time of CNO call, and the CNO notifies you of a future SC period

An actual scheduler MUST call you to notify you of the following (and the call MUST come while you are on a contactable status of LC or SC):

9. Any LC rotation assignment not covered under point #1 or 2.
10. EVERY SC rotation assignment (PWA 23.S.9.e). If you are assigned SC under points #1 or 2, and at that time you see SC AND a rotation during your SC window, scheduling is still required to call you once you start SC to notify you.
11. Any rest not associated with points #3-7 above. This includes when they release you into rest at 1800 going into a non-golden X day.

If you are off duty or in rest of any form (X day, vacation day, assigned rest, pre-rotation/pre-SC rest), or on a day of training (CQ, RCY, etc.) you can ignore any and all calls/CNO/voicemails from scheduling. Wait for proper notification/assignment from any of the applicable points above.

Never answer the phone when scheduling calls. Listen to the VM to see what they are trying to do, and if needed you can call them back to talk to them.

Never acknowledge any micrew/icrew notification unless you have first been properly notified.

 

Solution, we all go out and get a dataless flip phone for work use so a phone call is the only way to find out about anything.

 

Are you sure about #8? My understading was that CNO was ONLY for LC to SC. Not while on SC to SC.

Agree with all else, great summary. Most especially the last 3 bolded points. If you are not-contactable, you can safely ignore any calls, live scheduler or not.

 

While there was some initial confusion, on multiple FB posts the scheduling committee has confirmed that CNO voicemail on SC to notify of a future SC period is legal. Any contactable status allows for CNO voicemail assignment to a future SC period.

 

Copy, bummer. I guess I missed that correction on FB. Thanks for the clarification.

The 'gift' that keep on giving... I bet we will get leaned on hard for CNO for more/all notifications in C26. They are pushing this SC thing for a reason (or multiple reasons). I hope we don't give one more inch, but if it does happen, for goodness sakes we better get a huge quid for it. It would be huge relief for the company. AA apparently already gave it up...

 

Is it though? Pages upon pages of nonsense about when, who, and how someone should be notified about schedules seems asinine. Our contract already needs specialists to break down various sections why does it need to be more difficult than it needs to be.

 

Wait, wait, wait, are you advocating that we give in and allow the company greater useage of electronic notification to make their jobs easier??? Are you on the Scheduling FB page? For anyone who isn't, I highly recommend going over there and reading about the complete shenangians that scheduling has been pulling just in this last week alone. Illegal 23k for line holders. Reserves forced to fly rotations with less than the PWA-mandated 18 hours between release and report. Scheduling denying reserves when they call in to inform them they'll be non-contactable during the first 2 hours of SC. Assigning trips to SC pilots that report during their non-contactable window. Denying unable to commute. Telling pilots that CNO is legal notification for rest. Using Minutes Under when building rotations/reroutes when they should be using originally scheduled times. Not awarding payback days correctly. Trying to reroute pilots into flying a leg after they've report for a DH-only duty period. And on and on.

And then when you've been forced to fly and illegal RR/reserve assignment/23k assignment, the pay "specialists" deny, deny, deny. So then you have to send it to ALPA who has so much work dealing with all that crap that it'll take 3 months before a volunteer can even get to it. So you might get paid correctly 4-5 months after scheduling gave you the shaft.

This is why we are all pushing for pilots to know those "pages upon pages of nonsense." That "nonsense" was bought and paid for through numerous contract cycles and should not be thrown away on a whim because you can't be bothered to do some basic reading of the PWA, SRH, and forum/FB pages and understand the rules. 2-4 hours of time will pay you literally thousands of extra dollars throughout your career and give you more time at home because you will know the rules and force scheduling to abide by our PWA.