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Old 09-06-2025 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I'm thankful SC's are only 6 hours now -- when they could be 12. Someone down there is playing nice.
SC's that start at 2359 are still 9 hours......
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Old 09-06-2025 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
SC's that start at 2359 are still 9 hours......
Only because it is required to be “next day” and anything assigned for 0000 or later is “second day”
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Old 09-06-2025 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dmhpilot
Only because it is required to be “next day” and anything assigned for 0000 or later is “second day”
Correct….just telling the poster I quoted that not all SC are 6hrs.
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Old 09-07-2025 | 06:40 AM
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You get a 1000 SC on your first day of LC. If that's a 1000-2200 SC, then they can't use you until 1400 the second day (18 hours after 2200). So day 2 you get 1400-0200 SC. Now on day 3 you can't get SC until 2000, and so on. A 6 hour SC period allows them to keep assigning the same SC start time multiple days in a row and they don't "lose" a day or more of availbility as your 18 hour leash keeps moving backwards.

But also another reason they went from 12, then to 9, and now to 6 (other than the 2359 SC period which I think is still 8-9 hours), is that they found that the futher into a long SC period you got the less usable you were due to the RAP+FDP limit. I would assume that fatigue calls were also higher when they assigned a report at the tail end of a long SC period that went close to the max. Also remember that the RAP+FDP limit is a hard limit and cannot be exceeded unless you're already in the air on your last leg.

At this point the main reason for SC isn't as much for the "hey here's a trip reporting right now when can you get here" but more for stuff that pops up 10-18 hours from reoprt that can't be covered by a LC pilot. Over the last year only 1 of my SC rotation assignments wasn't on my schedule late the night before. I've had just one close-in assignment. So scheduing doesn't need a SC sitting available for 9+ hours as long as they can layer in several 6 hour windows. Those people have greater usability and scheduling can keep rolling their SC period day to day until a rotation gets assigned.
This is perfect. Thank you.
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Old 09-07-2025 | 03:38 PM
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As a serial reservist who lives in base, I would love to be able to do nothing but SC. Getting assigned the OT leftovers on LC sucks, I live for broken up trips on short call, ha. But of course that would suck for commuters, so it would just be nice as an option.
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Old 09-07-2025 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeMoose
As a serial reservist who lives in base, I would love to be able to do nothing but SC. Getting assigned the OT leftovers on LC sucks, I live for broken up trips on short call, ha. But of course that would suck for commuters, so it would just be nice as an option.
Same. The PWA provides for more than 6 SC's, they just have to be awarded and not assigned.

The company is not awarding more than 6 SC's. While I certainly don't want to increase the assignable number of SC's, I wouldn't mind language that forces the company to honor YS awards for more than 6 SC (and the extra pay that results from them.) Then again, if such a thing existed, there would probably have to be a leveling mechanism to keep senior from hogging all the premium pay from >6 SC's.
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Old 09-08-2025 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Verdell
Same. The PWA provides for more than 6 SC's, they just have to be awarded and not assigned.

The company is not awarding more than 6 SC's. While I certainly don't want to increase the assignable number of SC's, I wouldn't mind language that forces the company to honor YS awards for more than 6 SC (and the extra pay that results from them.) Then again, if such a thing existed, there would probably have to be a leveling mechanism to keep senior from hogging all the premium pay from >6 SC's.
Is there a grievance related to this? I thought ALPA did not agree that short calls beyond 6 were at the company's discretion.
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Old 09-08-2025 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by HockeyGuy
Is there a grievance related to this? I thought ALPA did not agree that short calls beyond 6 were at the company's discretion.
List of current grievances straight from DALPA Contract Admin page.

https://dal.alpa.org/Portals/1/Docum...ber%202025.pdf
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Old 09-08-2025 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
This is perfect. Thank you.
Just for another data point, my experience is similar. I've sat SC maybe three times in the last year, one of which I wasn't used. Generally, if I get an SC assignment tomorrow, I get a trip assigned later today. Ironically, whenever I do get an SC assignment it is usually to a trip that has sat in open time for 4 hours and they call me with less than an hour to report. So they either assign it 12 hours or 12 minutes in advance. Very little in between
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Old 09-08-2025 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Verdell
Same. The PWA provides for more than 6 SC's, they just have to be awarded and not assigned.

The company is not awarding more than 6 SC's. While I certainly don't want to increase the assignable number of SC's, I wouldn't mind language that forces the company to honor YS awards for more than 6 SC (and the extra pay that results from them.) Then again, if such a thing existed, there would probably have to be a leveling mechanism to keep senior from hogging all the premium pay from >6 SC's.
We have that language now. Company is ignoring and refusing to follow the language. I have a few STS in for this and they have been tabled as “IMPASSE”.
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