Take those words you said that I put in bold, then apply them to a different part of the contract. Reroute pay is very complex and has led to pages upon pages on here and FB discussion on the nuances of how it is applied. The company is playing games when it comes to calculations and denying pay claims. Are you saying that in that case too we should go to the table with the company and figure out a way to make it easier for them to handle reroute pay? Greatly expanding CNO usage would be like us agreeing to go back to no pay for reroutes. Both cases deal with hard-fought contract language. Both cases have the company playing shenangians. Both cases would be easier for pilots and the companny to "understand" if we agree to changes. Both cases demand that we as a pilot group hold the line on our PWA and not let the company break our will by intentionally disregarding ANY part of the PWA.

That's the point. The company WANTS us to give up and give in and make their jobs easier. They want us to be frustrated so we just throw up our hands and say to heck with it. They don't want to pay to hire, train, and retain quality crew schedulers. They want to get by on minimal staffing in scheduling. The way to face a rule breaker isn't to adjust the rules so now they're not breaking them. You face a rule breaker by demanding that every part of every rule be followed, and give them consequences when rules are broken (no show trips, removed assignments, extra GS required, etc.). Maybe scheduling will never end up following the PWA completely, but by god I'm going to use every word and provision at my disposal to keep them from trampling me.

 

Our reroute pay is an even bigger atrocity, how we agreed to it is beyond me but here we are with dozens of pages of words for nothing that we get hosed on. Here’s how simple it could have been... Anytime your schedule changes the entire rotation pays 200%. That’s it and if you think that’s too much make it whatever percent you want.

 

I just can’t even. I can only imagine your STS submissions.

You must not have lived pre-C19 RRPY very long.

 

and why not make it 250% or 300%? since it’s apparently as simple as just saying what it should have been.

 

So you’re in favor of the current setup where it takes multiple people cross checking your calculations to arrive at what you should be paid? I mean seriously this isn’t that hard but I understand this is Delta we need a form for a friggin form.

 

Wasn’t here at that time so cue up the remarks of “friggin new guys” etc etc.

 

no wonder you think it sucks.

Old PWA nutshell- 23L4Note any segments occurring within 14 hours of the reroute message NOT due any reroute pay. Outside of 14 “it depends.” Could they get a pilot in position for the segments? Could they not?

 

Now you're changing directions. Of course we pilots would all agree to that, because you are fixing the problem in a forward direction for us. The company isn't just going to throw more money at us. Their game is to reduce costs in any way possible. The company would love for us to come to them and propose items that reduce the value of our contract. Thank goodness you're not involved at the MEC level because you'd be giving up contractual provisions left and right.

And while we're at it, L.4 reroute pay actually isn't THAT complicated in most circumstances. Your average line pilot who takes the time to go through the SRH and scheduling alert detailing RR pay can figure out what they are due in probably 90%+ of the cases. There will always be some really wonky stuff that takes some ALPA specialists to untangle. And I think you and I would agree that it shouldn't be necessary for us to take our own time to verify things correctly, BUT when you are dealing with a company that operates with such disregard for the PWA then we really don't have much of a choice.

 

Oh man, I already forgot about that. Yeah, it wasn't just 14 hours, it was something about could they build a legal rotation that started no earlier than 14 hours to get a pilot into position. So for a next morning departure 20 hours out if there way only 1 flight left that night there still wouldn't be RR pay becuase that rotation would have to start less than 14 hours from the RR in order to cover the flight.

 

You get what you negotiate. The company wont just agree to make RR possible as easy for us and expensive for them as possible. And yeah, if you weren't here before C19 you then you would eat your words if you were. Before C19 reroutes almost always paid 0% extra. C2019 RR pay has been extremely lucrative.

I agree it sucks that it's not automated and that the company isn't applying it correctly, but that's not a result of us neogitating a VASTLY improved benefit. That's a result of their negligence and disrespect.