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Old 01-14-2025 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
Oh man, I already forgot about that. Yeah, it wasn't just 14 hours, it was something about could they build a legal rotation that started no earlier than 14 hours to get a pilot into position. So for a next morning departure 20 hours out if there way only 1 flight left that night there still wouldn't be RR pay becuase that rotation would have to start less than 14 hours from the RR in order to cover the flight.
You expounded on it perfectly. It depended on if they could get a pilot in position. No wonder there was a grievance settlement.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 06:10 PM
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The best evidence of reroute pay improvement is bidding. Pre C19 senior pilots (top % that could) bid to avoid sits in ATL because you would be rerouted for no extra pay into a longer duty day with a shorter less desirable layover destination. Now pilots do everything they can to be potentially rerouted, including a complete 180 in bidding strategey because between EDP, SIT, and reroutes ATL sits are some of the most lucrative trips. You're welcome.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
The best evidence of reroute pay improvement is bidding. Pre C19 senior pilots (top % that could) bid to avoid sits in ATL because you would be rerouted for no extra pay into a longer duty day with a shorter less desirable layover destination. Now pilots do everything they can to be potentially rerouted, including a complete 180 in bidding strategey because between EDP, SIT, and reroutes ATL sits are some of the most lucrative trips. You're welcome.
Speak for yourself myself and many others in my base do everything we can to avoid ATL. I come to work with an expectation to fly the trip as it was built that's why I bid it. I understand that things change and as a result so may the trip but I can speak of only one time that a current contract reroute was worth it and that was because it turned a 5 day into a 3 day. This attitude that everything is about making extra money is pervavsive in the industry but way worse at Delta. If you cant make it on the current rates one is doing it wrong but that's on them. This weekend was another reminder of just how awful it could be dealing with irops and reroutes but to each their own I suppose I should be overjoyed about the extra pay :/
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Old 01-14-2025 | 06:36 PM
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I would be rerouted every single rotation if I could be. Who gives a $hit what city I sleep in. I'm here to get paid for my time. Not to eat at one Chili's vs another.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
Thank goodness you're not involved at the MEC level because you'd be giving up contractual provisions left and right.

And while we're at it, L.4 reroute pay actually isn't THAT complicated in most circumstances. Your average line pilot who takes the time to go through the SRH and scheduling alert detailing RR pay can figure out what they are due in probably 90%+ of the cases. There will always be some really wonky stuff that takes some ALPA specialists to untangle. And I think you and I would agree that it shouldn't be necessary for us to take our own time to verify things correctly, BUT when you are dealing with a company that operates with such disregard for the PWA then we really don't have much of a choice.
I'd give away provisions?... boy I don't know where you've been the last year or so but that appears to be happening pretty easily on it's own. As to your second point L4 pay isn't THAT complicated? The SRH disagrees with you, imagine having so much contract jargon that an entirely seperate document needs to be created to explain it to the masses and the icing on the cake is that its an agreed upon document by both the company and association. But wait it get's better its so clear as mud that it gets walked on by the company and we have MEC alerts that are underwhelming to say the least. Don't worry "I'm just happy to be here"

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Old 01-14-2025 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
Speak for yourself myself and many others in my base do everything we can to avoid ATL. I come to work with an expectation to fly the trip as it was built that's why I bid it. I understand that things change and as a result so may the trip but I can speak of only one time that a current contract reroute was worth it and that was because it turned a 5 day into a 3 day. This attitude that everything is about making extra money is pervavsive in the industry but way worse at Delta. If you cant make it on the current rates one is doing it wrong but that's on them. This weekend was another reminder of just how awful it could be dealing with irops and reroutes but to each their own I suppose I should be overjoyed about the extra pay :/
Yeah but that was true under the old reroute rules too. Back then if you got your chain yanked you almost never got extra pay for it. The same chain yanking exists today but at least you are guaranteed to always make at least something extra, and on occasion a whole lot extra. I'd argue that the company is now less trigger happy on reroutes than they were in the past. I remember times of getting rerouted because some computer said it would save a few minutes but you're swapping planes with the crew being rerouted to cover your legs then both legs go out late. I don't hear of that happening any more. When I do get rerouted many of my reroutes have resulted in the same or less flying, but again for more pay. Reroutes are one of the pay items that we have the least control over. Yeah you can bid some sits or whatever but that's no guarantee and if some senior guys take crappier trips fishing for RR pay then that lets better trips go to more junior pilots.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ohaiyo
I would be rerouted every single rotation if I could be. Who gives a $hit what city I sleep in. I'm here to get paid for my time. Not to eat at one Chili's vs another.
How about we reroute you into min rest layovers for multiple nights in a row. Be careful if you call fatigued though that doesn't constitue reroute pay.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
How about we reroute you into min rest layovers for multiple nights in a row. Be careful if you call fatigued though that doesn't constitue reroute pay.
fatigue calls don’t excuse the company from reroute pay.

their take on that tells you all you need to know about management.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
fatigue calls don’t excuse the company from reroute pay.

their take on that tells you all you need to know about management.
I'm well aware of mgmt but apparently saying we can upgrade an app to operate similary to AA's for scheduling purposes makes me a mgmt shill willing to give up our contract.
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Old 01-14-2025 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
I'm well aware of mgmt but apparently saying we can upgrade an app to operate similary to AA's for scheduling purposes makes me a mgmt shill willing to give up our contract.
MiCrew is bad news; assuming that is what you’re talking about.

Your complaints about reroutes would be tenfold if we didn’t have the notification protections we have in our contract. Of course, pilots have to stand up for their damn selves.
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