It's probably because the company doesn't teach much of anything about 117 in indoc.

 

The SRH, p. 82 states it is the “RAP start time plus: FAR part 117 table B value (unaugmented crew) plus four hours, not to exceed 16 hours prior to any extension.”

2359L
+ 14
+ 2 (cannot be longer than 16)
= 1559L

He can’t work 16 hours from the 07XX show time after having been on SC since 2359L, at least according to the SRH language.

 

The last few posts have had technically correct points about usage of start of RAP and start of FDP and their relevance, but I think the differences have been a bit muddy. Both the RAP start time AND the FDP report time are required to complete the exercise. So here goes:

1) FDP report time is used to determine where to enter the FAR 117 table to determine maximum FDP.
2) Time elapsed between RAP start and FDP report, up to 4 hours, is added to the time taken from the FAR 117 table to determine maximum RAP+FDP (but not to exceed 16 total). Call this x hours.
3) RAP start time is used to determine the beginning point in time to determine the end of the legal FDP. I.e. RAP start + x hours = FAR 117 limit.

TL/DR the mistake here was incorrectly entering the FAR 117 table using the RAP start time rather than the FDP report time, as both TALPA and tennis mentioned.

Once these fundamentals are down, then we can talk about PWA scheduled FDP limits which further complicate the subject. But what's above will at least keep you cool with the FAA.

 

Yes I know how 117 works. I was saying people here have a hard time with it (117) because it's not really taught by the company or anyone for that matter. The other two airlines I have worked for did a much better job and they were not a "major air line"

 

A 0740 report for a scheduled 0832 takeoff is a violation of the definition of report time (60 minutes domestic).

 

At least make them do it and file the DART anyway. If people just accept violations it doesn’t help.

 

I mignt also submit an STS if you don’t call and have it updated or they choose not to. Might be worth some money…

 

1. I heard from scheduling that only the first preference time submitted for "if needed" is looked at. Is that true? At least that's the reason they gave for not honoring my 2nd preference.
2. If I slip and get awarded multiple SC days in a row and hypothetically get used on a multi day trip that overlaps the following SC periods do the "unused SC" count towards the 6 for the month?

 

1) Nobody knows for certain, or if they do, it's not transparent. Joe scheduler probably doesn't know how the automation is actually programmed and only knows what the results look like, which is effectively the same as what we can see. But I DO see assigned SC's being sent that DO use preferences 2+, so they are absolutely in play.

2) You only get SC counters for SC that are actually sat. So, no.

 

1. Sort of…they run the automated thing and it looks at your preferences for the time they’re currently filling. If the time they’re trying to fill is on your YSIN, then you get it regardless of preference.

So, if you’re senior to me, keep doing what you’re doing…if you’re junior to me then only submit the first time you want.