THIS IS EXACTLY THE REASON THEY NEGOTIATED RR PAY IN C19.

Too many people were being rerouted that wanted the trips they bid. RR pay is built to disincentivize that. It was done FOR the pilots to keep their rotations as is. Say it with me: RR Pay did not previously exist the way it does today. This RR pay is a good thing. It’s the company’s fault for not paying it properly, NOT the fault of the terms that were agreed to in the contract.

 

It's about making people abide by thier agreements. The pay is the consolation prize. If things go sideways you are compensated for adapting to the change. It's not about rates either, it's about earnings efficiency. If I make 125 hours one month via GS with 4 extra work days, then the next month can be 8 less work days and 50 hours for the same 2 month pay and net 4 less days worked. Monthly measurements have no meaning. Earn when efficiency is high and take time off when efficiency is low. The net will be more days off OR more money per work completed.

 

I never said it wasn’t a good thing, please point out where I did. I merely said the language is way more complicated than it needs to be and results in many pilots confused as to how much they should be paid. I gave an example on how easy it could be granted I threw out a very generous generic one but I’ll break it down for one that could pretty easily pass. Any schedule change results in the entire rotation paying 150% if you get rerouted a second time it’s 200%. If the reroute is simply taking a 4 day and turning it into 3 or less you get paid the rotation credit as a guarantee. Some of that is pretty similar to what Southwest has. Instead we’ve got dozens of paragraphs and examples of you get pay no credit and a whole litany of other BS that shows up on different lines of a time card, but I already know what you or others will say the company would never agree blah blah blah. I’ve heard this for a decade plus it’s nothing new. Instead it just ends up being a whole lot more work for both sides to figure it out to the minute what someone is owed.

 

I guess it depends on what you consider “many pilots” but the part you bolded is absolutely true for some pilots. Personally I had 2 assignments in 2024 that got removed due to improper notification and ended up just staying at home with my family rather than spending 10 hours in Syracuse.

At least one of those two went out as a last minute GS so that pilot benefited as well. If you’re going to talk about giving away such a massive thing, there better be a massive quid for us. I’m opposed to any changes in CNO but will officially pick up the pitch fork if we give it away for nothing like we did with batch sizes.

 

What fleet are you on? A four day slip on mine getting you to 125 means you’re holding a line and one of the highest ones is like 80 hours and 14 days off so now I gotta go down to essentially 10 days off. But then if I wana take it easy the following month I’d bid a min credit line and get 18 off for 65 your math isn’t adding up. Nevermind the fact that I haven’t seen many if any 4 day GS go out in a hot minute.

 

Again I never said give anything up, the AA system has an option to either be notified by a phone call or app message much like Arcos. I’ve had this happen recently where I never even had the call come through with my carrier and I just see a vm to text, I’ve called and they’ve got no answer as to why that happens. Could be a delta thing or not, my point is people are getting way wrapped around the axel about needing it to be some live scheduler. The company in Ed’s own words is moving towards AI, it creates ton of efficiencies much like our smart phones. Not having to deal with scheduling or tracking is a huge time saver but some folks here would rather waste away on it to make money here and there. Maybe we should should go back paper jepp charts and briefcases. Hell why not go back to paper bidding I miss that a whole bunch. Cue the 6 pack crowd too.

 

Why are you willing to gut a huge part of our contract at the same time as you believe that reroutes aren’t paid enough?

 

Since this is a reserve thread let’s really examine what happened. In a perfect world that example you gave happened. Schedulings new goal now with all of those SC’s is alleviating this ten fold. More often than not it’s getting covered by the plethora of people sitting SC which under the old contract rarely happened. That whole law of unintended consequences… your example very well coulda caused the crappy four days I got hammered with last month where I got a SC conversion and then subsequent two day and then was put on SC following that trip and had to go fly a crappy turn which likely came from some other broken up trip. I signed up for this job and I’m not complaining that I have to work my entire point in all of this is that there could be many ways to work around this that makes life easier for all but I get it as humans we tend to look out for numero uno and only see life through our own lens. People PCS all the time and have no issues with whatever those calls are called VRU or whatever but in the handful of other times it’s a non starter which I get cause hey it’s in the contract but talk about wanting their cake and eating it too.

 

Nothing is being gutted and your opinion of huge is disingenuous. You know what’s a huge loss? Putting almost every reserve pilot onto SC and almost overnight eliminating GS outside of a massive irop.

 

That's not a huge loss that's proper staffing, a huge gain. That wasn't a conscious decision by management either, just a confluence of factors like massive hiring followed by stiffled aircraft deliveries. And if the rumors are true (I still doubt biggly) we are cutting hiring to fix that and will inevitably overshoot. That and pilots holding thier ground with notification and contactability after the experiences of last weekend will result in the GS-fest returning sooner than you think. If instead it all works out fine it'll be by coincidence only and you will be happy. No reroutes and reserves get an extra 6 hours for sitting around. What kind of odds will you take on a bet things get a little hot?